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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

SoulfulGinger17 Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1677: Apr 24th 2014 at 9:56:58 AM

Today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
mlsmithca (Edited uphill both ways)
#1678: Apr 25th 2014 at 7:18:10 AM

Non Archenemy Series Finale was launched today despite only having one hat and no discussion since July 2013.

There might be a trope there, where a series' main recurring villain is already out of the picture by the final installment - perhaps as a subtrope of Anti-Climax - but it's a bit sketchy as written.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#1679: Apr 25th 2014 at 8:37:21 AM

^ Burn Non Archenemy Series Finale.

There was no interest in it in YKTTW, so I see no point in sending it back to languish again, and many of the examples don't really fit; either the character listed is simply prominent in the hero's Rogues Gallery (The Joker, Rene Belloq); he's simply a recurring villain but there never was one single "archenemy" (Blofeld was not-in far more Bond movies than he was in: There were 23 movies from Eon; Blofeld was in 5 of them, with one other character who may have been him but it's never stated clearly. In only three of the ones that he is in does Blofeld not share "main antagonist" rank with another villain; ); or they're dead before the Finale (The Governor in The Walking Dead); or they'd been replaced as the main villain well before the finale (Chuck, The Walking Dead, Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles)

edited 25th Apr '14 8:38:33 AM by Madrugada

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1680: Apr 25th 2014 at 8:58:11 AM

Today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1681: Apr 25th 2014 at 9:05:10 AM

Missed another page:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TrustBen Since: Jan, 2001
#1682: Apr 25th 2014 at 9:21:01 AM

Welsh Literature is a subindex of British Literature. I found it as a red link. What would be some good ways to fix it?

mlsmithca (Edited uphill both ways)
#1683: Apr 25th 2014 at 12:33:01 PM

Thanks for the Word of Mod, Madrugada; Non Archenemy Series Finale is on the cutlist as of a few minutes ago.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1684: Apr 26th 2014 at 5:44:32 AM

Two new stub articles:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
lexicon Since: May, 2012
#1685: Apr 26th 2014 at 5:06:56 PM

What counts a prematurely launched? I have a couple that are finally good on title and description, as one person even said so for one of them, but neither of them have hats. Since no one has a problem with them anymore I want to launch them but I don't want them to end up here.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1686: Apr 26th 2014 at 9:55:03 PM

There's a thread for asking for people to review your YKTTW and possibly give it hats, but I can't remember the title and site search isn't helping. sad

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
lexicon Since: May, 2012
#1687: Apr 26th 2014 at 11:31:35 PM

I've taken them to the YKTTW workstation thread but no one's saying anything there. I have seven examples each, a clear title and a decent description. They're just missing their hats. Would they be premature and sent back if I launched them now?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1688: Apr 27th 2014 at 2:47:26 AM

Today's worklist notes first off that Laughably Easy Achievement still needs renaming. I also received no commentary on Yu Yu Gi Digi Moon.

Otherwise:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#1689: Apr 27th 2014 at 3:25:18 AM

The user that created the Grey page also made a YKTTW draft.

edited 27th Apr '14 3:25:42 AM by m8e

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#1690: Apr 27th 2014 at 7:29:07 AM

I created Effortless Achievement page and soon I'll put the old page on the cutlist. However, I'm not sure I'll manage to crosswick it properly. My laptop is not in the very best form...

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1691: Apr 28th 2014 at 4:30:43 AM

Does anyone else have something to say about Welsh Literature?

Worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#1692: Apr 28th 2014 at 5:18:48 AM


Description should include Index should include soft splits for
  • Works in addition to Creators
The page should be on
  • British Lit index
  • everything British Lit is indexed on (except England-specific pages)

edited 28th Apr '14 5:28:28 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1693: Apr 29th 2014 at 7:59:16 AM

Uh, yeah, that would be a good work to implement.

Anyhoo, based upon an Ask The Tropers complaint yesterday, I would like to ask for some advice about messaging editors with problematic page creations. Many of them have more than one problem and need several messages at once (using the automatic messages), plus some people could become discouraged if they receive a message in mid of page work. Could this approach of mine be improved somehow in the public's opinion?

Worklist as always:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1694: Apr 29th 2014 at 8:09:43 AM

On principle alone, I want to nuke WND. It's flamebait, as anyone who has anything nice to say about it is going to be... well, "fringe" is a gross understatement. And even discussing it civilly will make someone sound like they're bashing it because it's such an insane site.

Regarding D-Pad: I'm for giving them a bit more time, but I think they should get a PM about putting things on the appropriate page (and a gentle reminder that, even if they put a banner up top, they don't have unlimited time to do the basic setup of a page).

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rickied Since: Mar, 2010
#1695: Apr 29th 2014 at 9:43:10 AM

Duly noted, sorry about that, guys. I started the page up and wound up being a bit busier at work than expected, I intend to populate the page ASAP.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1696: Apr 29th 2014 at 7:48:48 PM

Septimus: I'd say that before messaging, at least check the page's history. If really recent edits show, or the page is very recently created, send them at most one message, maybe with links to relevant pages, or one from the new options that addresses the worst problem(s). (I'm thinking six hours or less at the moment. That can be tweaked.) I won't say see if they're checked out for editing; if you get someone like me, who usually does one to a half-a-dozen quick fixes at a time, you might not hit the page at the right moment to catch the editing going on.

The longer the page goes without cleanup, the more the person might need a nudge or three to comply with wiki standards.

Any word on the tech tweak to send first-time editors to an instruction page or some such? I can't help thinking a variation, to encourage first-time work page creators to use a Sandbox or YKTTW, might be useful. I have no idea if that'd be practical or doable, though.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#1697: Apr 30th 2014 at 4:06:37 AM

I have a similar editing style, which is why after making a few stubby articles, I prefer making one work page at a time in the YKTTW.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1698: Apr 30th 2014 at 12:30:45 PM

Today's review is up. I was delayed by college work, image editing and trying to fill in for Willbyr.

List:

Any word on the tech tweak to send first-time editors to an instruction page or some such?

We already have such a thing, but it doesn't cover page creation specifically. Anyhow, while an alert for new page creators to index and crosswick their pages would be useful, it definitively can't be restricted to new editors.

On the suggestion to send just one message, I'll think about it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1699: May 1st 2014 at 1:59:45 AM

Today's worklist:

Also, the problem with finding a list of newly created is on again, given that it's the 1st of a month. Maybe I should ask for a more suitable list...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#1700: May 1st 2014 at 7:30:29 AM

I used to think you found them the same way I do: checking the Recent Page type changes and Un-Typed pages tools.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

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