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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

ShanghaiSlave Giver of Lame Names from YKTTW Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#1501: Mar 7th 2014 at 7:50:07 PM

Wringing Hands Of Nervousness was not run under YKTTW. very few examples, and even fewer wicks.

confusing description too. nothing to save here, yes?

Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1502: Mar 8th 2014 at 1:44:46 AM

Just noting that You Know Nothing About X's cut request was declined.

Anyhow, worklist (up to Funny.Ben 10 Ultimate Alien):

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1503: Mar 8th 2014 at 2:47:23 AM

Also, Humanoid Robots. Stub trope page without examples and lots of redlinks.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1504: Mar 8th 2014 at 3:03:59 AM

You Know Nothing About X: I think I'm beginning to understand the complaints of whether the Cut Masters ever look at the pages in question. Some can be iffy as to whether to cut, but some are obvious.

Humanoid Robots: Very stubby. Redlinks caused by either not getting the name of the trope right or not potholing properly, or the wiki either not having that trope or not having it under that name. Ridiculously Human Robots is already a thing.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1505: Mar 8th 2014 at 3:06:28 PM

New worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1506: Mar 8th 2014 at 7:56:07 PM

Part of the problem is that "You know Nothing" etc, is dialogue, and I've noticed those are intensely disliked for trope names.

The description is short and patchy. The examples basically reflect the format of the trope, with one person saying to another 'you know nothing'. This is an event that occurs in stories, but I'm not sure if it works as a storytelling device as it is presented.

You have characters going off in a rage, other characters telling the naive/inexperienced one that they don't know what they're talking about, characters reflections on other characters' knowledge or lack of it, and flat-out to the face criticism. There's no real common thread then one character used the format of the title to address another character somehow.

On the technical standpoint, there's an Example Indentation problem, and whoever added the Laura Ingalls example didn't include the name of the work it appears in. (Little Town on the Prairie. If the page comes up to standards, it can be added in.)

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1507: Mar 8th 2014 at 9:19:46 PM

Dialog titles aren't just "intensely disliked", they're prohibited, though I can't immediately find a staffer reference in a "quick and dirty" site search.

That quibble aside, [up] is pretty much my assessment of "You Know...". Kick it back to YKTTW, since it's been declined for cutlisting (if I'm not thinking of something else, anyway tongue ).

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1508: Mar 9th 2014 at 3:03:39 AM

Actually, I think that You Know... should still be cutlisted, but with a more expansive cut reason.

Today's worklist (to Funny.Epic Mickey):

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1509: Mar 9th 2014 at 3:09:33 AM

The Knight And The Rabbit: A lot of Monty Python and a little Wonderland kicked up, even a bit of King Arthur. A little Jefferson Airplane on the third page of Google Search. But nothing with that exact title that I can find, even after pulling both 'the's'.

At best, I'd say it's not publicly available at this time, and should have been started in the Sandbox.

Edit: Specifically searched Amazon. The first result as a rabbit call with more words in the name, the "Toy Vault Mini Rabbit Plush with Big Pointy Teeth Plush" was the second.

edited 9th Mar '14 3:13:38 AM by Candi

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1510: Mar 9th 2014 at 4:03:54 PM

Evening worklist is up:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LordXavius Doesn't even like this username from many fandoms Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#1511: Mar 9th 2014 at 5:08:58 PM

British Nazis really seems like a The Same But More Specific of Evil Brit. It's a cut for me.

edited 9th Mar '14 5:10:14 PM by LordXavius

DracMonster Since: Jan, 2001
#1512: Mar 9th 2014 at 5:23:11 PM

[up]Agreed. Also message the overeager newbie about this YKTTW thing these crazy kids are into nowadays.

ShanghaiSlave Giver of Lame Names from YKTTW Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#1513: Mar 9th 2014 at 8:06:30 PM

You Know Nothing About X, well, I'll leave the cut reason to people with better grasp on english then.

what of Wringing Hands Of Nervousness though? post 1501.

Is dast der Zerstorer? Odar die Schopfer?
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1514: Mar 9th 2014 at 8:47:49 PM

Wringing Hands Of Nervousness: I don't see how that's a story-telling device. It's something the author uses to show people are nervous, and it does happen in real life, but it's a result of actual tropes happening and a demonstration of mood, not vital in any way to the story. You could get the same thing with a cold sweat, a tic, sped-up breathing -you get the idea. The one RL example is people sit on chairs.

There's a page note asking for stuff that's usually handled in YKTTW.

On format and layout, the Literature example isn't Wikilinked properly at all and should have been fixed. There's a lot of 'does this', and while they are adequately filled out, that's just asking for ZC Es down the road.

The Live Action Film Folder needs renaming to Film -Live Action, and makes me question how many pages this guy looked at before making this one.

There's more, but I think that should do for now.

Cutlist or send to YKTTW, and message the creator.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1515: Mar 10th 2014 at 2:18:42 AM

Today's work- and replieslist (up to Awesome.Kate Daniels):

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Lost in Space
#1516: Mar 10th 2014 at 6:49:29 AM

Regarding Elite 4, just cut it. It's not worth saving. I've suspended its author.

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Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1517: Mar 10th 2014 at 7:22:55 AM

The Knight And The Rabbit: Since it has been expanded since I last checked, I vote for Darth Wiki unless the creator can point to where it exists. It also needs a description expansion, effective ZCEs filled out, spelling, grammar, and example indentation fixed. "Diesel Punk Fairy Tale" MIGHT put it under Literature namespace.

Humanoid Robots might be useful as a redirect.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1518: Mar 11th 2014 at 1:17:55 AM

Today's worklist is up (up to Quotes.Heimskringla). Remind me also we ought to ask for a full-fledged new page report:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1519: Mar 11th 2014 at 4:15:59 AM

The Fic May Be Yours But The Trope Page Is Ours: Fanfics tend to be most affected, but there was that one case where several people were suspended after messing with a Creator page, because the woman/personality essentially asked her fans to do so. It resulted in at least a temp lock for that page.

I think there should be at least a note that while fanfics do bear the brunt of the ownership issues, the principle applies to every page.

Edit: found the name. Jesu Otaku.

edited 11th Mar '14 7:05:37 AM by Candi

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1520: Mar 11th 2014 at 8:29:04 AM

A second worklist (now up to Awesome.Portal Breach):

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LordXavius Doesn't even like this username from many fandoms Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Doesn't even like this username
#1521: Mar 11th 2014 at 10:03:58 AM

[up]Some fan-made Homestuck character at that. As for Adèle Blanc-Sec, I remember watching and liking it. Maybe I ought to give it a rewatch (if I can find it) so that I can add to its page.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1522: Mar 11th 2014 at 12:01:19 PM

My Dad listens to that. It's The Mark Levin Show. Mark Levin would be Creator.

Edit: And now that I'm actually awake... Every context I've come across OOC in, it means Out Of Character. In Interactive Fiction story threads I've read and participate in, the OOC thread was used for Audience (and authors') Reactions.

So that thing seems to be a character page, but the OOC label could attract the wrong type of edits, depending on their internet background

edited 11th Mar '14 6:48:56 PM by Candi

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1523: Mar 12th 2014 at 9:47:31 AM

Today, not much to do (up to Laconic.Final Boss on the page type log):

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1524: Mar 12th 2014 at 11:30:02 AM

Mistaken for Foreigner got launched with one hat, and I still don't like the name; it's specifically about someone assuming an Ethnic minority is from his ethnic origin, but the current name just sounds like a version of Mistaken Nationality (which many people in the YKTTW confused it for multiple times).

edited 12th Mar '14 11:30:25 AM by Larkmarn

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1525: Mar 12th 2014 at 3:30:34 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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