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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#12501: Mar 4th 2025 at 4:04:10 PM

Typically we just ping the sponsor, I only kick them back if there are additional issues.

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cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12502: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:02:05 AM

So... Quick question, friends. If a trope page is unlaunched, what happens to it? Does it come back to TLP looking like the last edit or it becomes deleted?

cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12503: Mar 5th 2025 at 3:08:41 AM

Oh, I guess it says this right at the top. The page returns to TLP or gets cut if it's too bad, got it

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 5th 2025 at 2:09:00 PM

cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12504: Mar 5th 2025 at 5:54:25 AM

Ok, guys, I think I finally found a way to narrow the Talkative Cover trope description. I will implement it into the page and delete some examples that don't fit it anymore. Next, I will provide contexts for examples in the trope page itself and crosswick pages

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 5th 2025 at 4:55:01 PM

cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12505: Mar 5th 2025 at 11:04:32 AM

Done! I did my best to make "rules" for the trope. I only had to cut one added example, others were correct! So yeah, I guess most people get this trope anyway, so now there should be little-to-no incorrect examples. This trope is not that widespread anyway.

(I hope it's okay that I post here all that stuff about the trope page, sorry, if it's not)

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#12506: Mar 5th 2025 at 1:31:53 PM

So, you still haven't handled the Zero-Context Example issue I mentioned here.

Many, if not most, examples on the page just say a quote. They don't talk about the graphic design, or hell, if the quote is even on the cover.

The Ace Combat examples look to just be taglines based on what I'm looking at. But looking up Ace Combat 2, I could potentially understand how it's closer to this trope due to how it's used.

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FSharp Resisting a rest Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#12507: Mar 5th 2025 at 5:09:34 PM

Also, it's against the forum rules to post multiple times in a row. You should edit your post instead. I see you're a "troper in training" though, so it's understandable.

Edited by FSharp on Mar 5th 2025 at 8:09:47 AM

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cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12508: Mar 5th 2025 at 10:41:54 PM

[up] I have a job, so I didn't have time to fix ZCE. I'm working on it...

Also, yes, Ace Combat 2 and 3 are the only ones in the series that use this trope. The text is just genre description basically, but it's used to enchance the graphic design of the covers. Ace Combat 3 has a slightly altered text to Ace Combat 2. I wouldn't consider them taglines, because they add to the design of their respective covers with fitting fonts and placement. You can compare Ace Combat 3 japanese cover and Ace Combat 3 US cover: one features stylized text INTEGRATED in the design and other just says "from the creatores of Air Combat" separated from the cover art itself.

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 5th 2025 at 10:26:28 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#12509: Mar 5th 2025 at 10:47:45 PM

To be clear, if you're going to be launching tropes, you're required to have this stuff fixed before launching.

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cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12510: Mar 5th 2025 at 10:49:37 PM

Yes, I understand... But no one told me that ZCE is a problem with my TLP page. Everyone was giving examples with quotes. So I figured that if the trope is about front cover art then there's no need to provide context, because well every example is basically front cover text!

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 5th 2025 at 9:56:44 PM

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#12511: Mar 6th 2025 at 3:29:47 AM

There’s a bigger issue here, which Larkman touched on above. Even if the ZCE examples already on the page get fixed, it’s very likely that future tropers will just add more examples without context. Shouldn’t that be addressed in the trope description? Or does it even make the trope a non-starter?

Given that it has this problem, plus the fact that the sponsor needs time to correct the ZC Es already there, this suggests that it may be prudent to unlaunch the trope until things get figured out. It’s not my decision of course, just a thought.

ilovewildkratts1 Local Odd Squad Connoisseur from a nice breezy expansive meadow (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
#12512: Mar 6th 2025 at 7:22:45 AM

Want to check and make sure this is just a bug and isn't an actual trope: this draft wasn't launched, right? It says it was, but it's not in the Launches list — it's shown in the Discards list to have been discarded by the (now-suspended) sponsor and locked by a mod. (I had expected the mod to discard it and lock it when the sponsor was suspended, as I've seen before with some drafts, but that doesn't appear to be the case.) Peeking at my Tropers page doesn't give a page with my username in any other namespace besides Sandbox (which was made by me), so my guess is that this is some sort of bug on the site's end, but I just want to double-check.

Edited by ilovewildkratts1 on Mar 6th 2025 at 10:24:23 AM

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AwkbutTVT Nyan-Binary (The picture, not me) from Gaia, in no current need of help Since: Sep, 2023
Nyan-Binary (The picture, not me)
#12513: Mar 6th 2025 at 7:36:33 AM

I've seen the inverse happen too, tropes getting launched but saying "discarded" instead

Edited by AwkbutTVT on Mar 6th 2025 at 3:36:42 PM

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Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#12514: Mar 6th 2025 at 8:05:06 AM

This appears to be related to the TLP bug fix recently. Something similar happened to Sanderson's First Law.

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#12515: Mar 6th 2025 at 8:42:20 AM

The fix I did in order to make sure drafts that were launched to actually say launched is I’m checking if there’s a valid article with the same name in our database. Since ilovewildkratts1 troper page is technically a valid article, it’s mistakenly saying it’s launched, but it’s only a visual bug specifically on drafts that have identical names to existing articles.

Edited by kory on Mar 6th 2025 at 8:48:44 AM

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cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12516: Mar 6th 2025 at 8:46:55 AM

Bolt DMC, sorry, but why are you so eager to unlaunch this trope...? I noticed this in your comments about other tropes here as well... Anyways, I provided context to ALL examples and made the trope definition more strict. What's the problem now? You can make the point about "other tropers may not provide context in the future" literally about every trope on this website, I just don't get it.

Also, this trope is not that common. I'm checking the page every day multiple times and monitor changes. I know that I can't do this forever, but still... You try to address an issue that doesn't exist, sorry

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 6th 2025 at 8:04:01 PM

ilovewildkratts1 Local Odd Squad Connoisseur from a nice breezy expansive meadow (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
#12517: Mar 6th 2025 at 9:58:03 AM

[up][up] All right. That would explain it. Since there are two pages with the same name, the draft must have mistaken my Tropers or Sandbox page as an actual launched page even though it was actually discarded, hence the "this trope has been launched" banner.

Doing a search of my name only brings up forum posts and pages with drafts I've discarded, but I'd like to make sure a page that's just slander towards another troper doesn't actually exist on the site, so thank you for checking.

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#12518: Mar 6th 2025 at 10:14:43 AM

Ya i think i should be able to fix that visual glitch too. Since it should only be checking for valid articles with the groupname "main", not just any article. adding that to my list.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#12519: Mar 6th 2025 at 12:32:20 PM

Cyber, I really recommend you refrain from thinking someone is "trying' to send back a trope. It's no one's first choice.

To be honest, your additions to the trope haven't exactly quelled my concerns. I... appreciate the further attempts to emphasize that this is a graphical design choice but... so is tagline in every visual medium.

Also. Adding variations of "has the text" doesn't make a quote contextual in this case. Which is another reason why the ZCE issue is one that particularly made me think this could go back to TLP; people that suggested examples could flesh them out when you can't.

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BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#12520: Mar 7th 2025 at 3:44:06 AM

^ Larkman, thank you for this. All excellent points to make.

Cyber, you’re a new troper here, only joining in late February. The learning curve at the site is somewhat steep, and especially so at the TLP. We’re trying to help you, and you do your trope no favors by insisting it stay launched with problems — it’ll just end up in the Trope Repair Shop getting torn apart or even discarded, and no one wants that. The time to fix problems is before launch. If the problems can be fixed, that’s great, go for it. If they can’t — believe me, you won’t be the first TLP sponsor who had to give up on what seemed like a good idea at the time. Approaching things like this with a more detached and self-critical state of mind is essential.

ilovewildkratts1 Local Odd Squad Connoisseur from a nice breezy expansive meadow (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
#12521: Mar 10th 2025 at 6:10:39 PM

Was looking at a draft and I came across one by the same sponsor, Too Smart for Education. Apparently it might have been launched without a launch notice. Can anyone confirm this? Was this discussed somewhere in this thread already?

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#12522: Mar 11th 2025 at 9:33:17 PM

Louisaurusrex seems to have launched Extinction Tropes without a notice, though the page seems fine otherwise.

Edited by rmctagg09 on Mar 12th 2025 at 3:52:59 PM

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#12523: Mar 14th 2025 at 6:43:53 PM

~Myles Henry Vigil Sr left a launch notice in the title of their draft when it went live. I presume that was an accident but I unlaunched it; they're free to do it over.

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Uni-Horn Goat
#12524: Mar 15th 2025 at 8:24:43 AM

I actually did not launch it. Somebody else did. I have a habit of not immediately launching my indices and it ends with somebody else launching them, like with Extinction Tropes.

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