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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

Malady (X-Troper)
#12476: Feb 16th 2025 at 5:05:14 PM

[up][up][up] - I don't think there was a notice. Nothing's wrong beyond that, right? Did you message the launcher to inform them of policy?

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AwkbutTVT Nyan-Binary (The picture, not me) from Gaia, in no current need of help Since: Sep, 2023
Nyan-Binary (The picture, not me)
#12477: Feb 16th 2025 at 5:45:19 PM

[up][up]I see, oh well

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intastiel (Don’t ask)
#12478: Feb 19th 2025 at 3:04:33 PM

Not sure how, but Squatting In Barbies Crib was launched on the same day as the draft was created.

MyFinalEdits Delete message from Parts Unknown (Spin-off Series) Relationship Status: Cast away
Delete message
#12479: Feb 19th 2025 at 3:08:44 PM

I unlaunched it, explaining why in the draft's comment section.

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FSharp Resisting a rest Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#12480: Feb 22nd 2025 at 2:35:32 PM

Weekday Afternoon Cartoon looks like an index, but it was recently launched as a trope and indexed on the Discredited Trope page. This suggests that it really is meant to be a trope, in which case it should go back to the Trope Launch Pad until the examples have context.

I don't just Wiki Talk the talk. I Wiki Walk the walk.
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#12481: Feb 22nd 2025 at 3:29:32 PM

[up] An additional problem I have is the criteria. ~Kofboy removed a number of examples because they “mostly air in the morning”, but as is, this literally includes all cartoons airing on weekdays. Wouldn’t those examples count then? Or does the criteria need expanding? This trope may be too broad as is — a concern I had but should’ve voiced in the TLP.

(Paged you Kofboy so you’re aware of this discussion.)

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 22nd 2025 at 6:30:00 AM

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Kofboy Since: Sep, 2019
#12482: Feb 22nd 2025 at 3:54:52 PM

[up] Well like what Astraea 802 said in the launch pad, this index based on the weekday cartoon list from Wikipedia but it doesn't differentiate between weekday morning shows (mainly the preschool shows that aired Nick Jr and Disney Jr, and the syndicated cartoons that usually aired in the morning hours) and afternoon shows, along with not differentiate with shows that first ran on weekdays and shows that only had reruns on weekdays.

Edited by Kofboy on Feb 22nd 2025 at 6:56:29 AM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#12483: Feb 22nd 2025 at 4:00:28 PM

[up] What would then be needed is that this trope needs to go back to the TLP to explicitly specify that, along with having a discussion on whether this should be a trope or an index.

Oh, and I’m going to page the sponsor ~Ghostfreak45 so they know about this discussion.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#12484: Feb 27th 2025 at 5:07:03 AM

Shouldn't Illusory Wall have mentioned an index somewhere here? Have noticed it's unindexed and lacks crosswicking.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#12485: Feb 27th 2025 at 11:05:51 AM

Sigh. ~MaLady

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Malady (X-Troper)
#12486: Feb 27th 2025 at 11:40:28 AM

Yes, I know, thanks for pinging me!

Annnd there's no Wall or Floor indicies?

Edited by Malady on Feb 27th 2025 at 11:50:25 AM

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walkenfan Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#12487: Feb 27th 2025 at 12:02:35 PM

[up] I don't see any Illusion ones either. Applied Phlebotinum or This Index Has Magic Properties maybe??

Edited by walkenfan on Feb 27th 2025 at 3:03:01 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#12488: Feb 27th 2025 at 12:03:20 PM

This is why you should hash out indices before launching.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#12489: Mar 3rd 2025 at 8:48:04 AM

I think Talkative Cover was launched a bit early.

A net 6 hats which isn't the worst thing in the world, but the last discussion about it was specifically telling OP to slow down (granted, that was three days ago).

But, I really do have issues with the scope of the trope here, if something as small as the "Tactical Espionage Action" blurb from Metal Gear Solid counts (which I would think is just tagline). And, in fact, the last suggestion in the TLP was from someone whose suggestion was shot down by the OP without explanation which leads me to think there are issues with the definition.

There's also issues with context; most examples are just the text in question and from the Zero-Context Example page, Quotes are rarely acceptable as examples on their own, though they can support an existing example. As quotes can be taken out-of-context, be mis-remembered or even mis-interpreted, they aren't always reliable. In general, they fail to give necessary context for any non-dialogue trope, being just a single moment of the work and lacking in details. I feel this is especially the case since this is a cover design trope; the quote itself is less important than how it affects the cover.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 3rd 2025 at 4:49:27 AM

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#12490: Mar 3rd 2025 at 12:49:15 PM

Voca Layton seems to have stealth-launched Always Critical Hit Attack, and the description page seems to have wonky grammar besides.

Edited by rmctagg09 on Mar 3rd 2025 at 3:50:18 PM

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
VocaLayton He/Him from the Void Since: Jul, 2023
He/Him
#12491: Mar 3rd 2025 at 6:14:07 PM

[up] Huh? I already put the launch date on the title before.

"Critical thinking is the key to success!" -Professor Layton
BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#12492: Mar 3rd 2025 at 8:14:12 PM

[up] I agree, the grammar in the trope description is not good quality. It needs to be sent back and then cleaned up before being launched.

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#12493: Mar 3rd 2025 at 8:16:06 PM

[up][up][up] [up] I also agree with Larkman’s points on the other just-launched trope. I’m fine with it being sent back and having those points addressed.

Edited by BoltDMC on Mar 3rd 2025 at 8:16:28 AM

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#12494: Mar 3rd 2025 at 9:45:56 PM

[up]x3 I missed that, but the rest still stands.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#12495: Mar 4th 2025 at 11:47:00 AM

Unless someone is willing to fix the grammar on the launched page, I'll send it back. But I'll give it time since this isn't necessarily something that requires an unlaunch.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#12496: Mar 4th 2025 at 12:34:11 PM

Pinging ~cyberfunkerypunk on Talkative Cover.

I think the scope/tagline issues could potentially be resolved here, but the ZCE issue is really major and will probably require more help.

I really don't want it sent back since I don't think the title will change and it's well-wicked but it is problematic as-is.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 4th 2025 at 3:38:25 PM

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cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12497: Mar 4th 2025 at 2:10:58 PM

[up] Larkmarn, the Talkative Cover TLP page wasn't really getting much attention (unlike TLPs that were proposed around the same time), basically examples and a couple critique comments which I tried to listen to. Yes, Bolt told me that I should slow down, but I don't really think that would make a difference because, again, the page was getting weak attention. But I guess that's just an excuse I keep telling myself.

I do agree that the definition for the trope should be more specific. I will work on that. It's just that even I can't sometimes tell what counts and what doesn't...

And yeah, I had a feeling that just adding quotes wasn't the best way to go about it, I will expand the content of examples (including crosswicking stuff).

I'm new to TV Tropes so I don't know a lot of things about editing, writing and launching tropes. Sorry for being a trouble. (Also, please tell me what "ZCE" is...)

As for the launched page itself, I hope we can resolve all, or most, issues without unlaunching it. Thank you for your patience and critique.

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 4th 2025 at 1:12:29 PM

TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024
The clown of STEEL
#12498: Mar 4th 2025 at 2:21:56 PM

"ZCE" is the initialism for Zero-Context Example.

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cyberfunkerypunk Marcille Donato #1 Fan from The Cradle of Humankind (Troper in training) Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Marcille Donato #1 Fan
#12499: Mar 4th 2025 at 2:26:32 PM

Thank you, Mr. Iron Vomit!

Edited by cyberfunkerypunk on Mar 4th 2025 at 1:30:55 PM

Allisterarch Water-Breathing Human from Ridiculous Procrastination zone (Striking Back) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
#12500: Mar 4th 2025 at 3:59:44 PM

Hm, Heroism Burns Bright didn't have a 24-hour notice...

I think the trope is fine, but I'm bringing this here as I know that's against the rules.

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