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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1151: Dec 7th 2013 at 6:56:52 PM

I would say name of work, and exactly what happened to show the trope is used. Most trope examples tend to be like that.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#1152: Dec 7th 2013 at 8:38:22 PM

There's no work to cite for Real Life.

Most trope examples (of any medium) give a summary, not an exact description. (That word is abused as badly as literally)

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1153: Dec 8th 2013 at 1:16:51 AM

"Specific" in terms of Real Life usually refers to specific locations, people etc.

Anyhow, today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1154: Dec 8th 2013 at 4:04:01 AM

Can Can -As it stands, it's cutlist fodder.

Only one person has done anything on it. It needs a better description, fleshed out examples, indexing, and that's just from a glance over.

So cutlist now, or message the creator. If they don't fix it, then cutlist it anyway.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1155: Dec 8th 2013 at 11:25:55 PM

I am a little unsure on what to ask the editor of Music.The Can Can Song - that they turn it into a trope or a work page? Right now, it's more like the former.

Anyhow, today's worklist:

  • Apotheosis: Only a few examples with enough context; creator messaged.
  • Inu Mo Arukeba/Mans Best Friend: An editor moved the page to the former name. Which name is the English version? Wikipedia suggests the latter, but I want to be 100% sure.
  • Rob and Roberta: Only two examples and fairly badly written ones.
  • Tadpole Treble: All examples so far lack context; creator messaged.

edited 9th Dec '13 11:22:46 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1156: Dec 9th 2013 at 11:37:48 PM

Going to have to repeat my previous question. Also, Sit Rep is at the 3 day window, so it will need a fix as well.

Today's worklist:

edited 10th Dec '13 4:38:33 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1157: Dec 10th 2013 at 6:18:22 AM

^ On Xeno, yep, by the same guy. Not only that, but it has a "Videogame subpage that has absolutely nothing on it. Really, it still doesn't sound like anything except for someone who Does Not Understand TV Tropes.

I think at this point it's a staff issue, though, given his recreation of a cut page in a way that makes it obvious he's aware it was cut.

edited 10th Dec '13 6:20:11 AM by Nohbody

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1158: Dec 10th 2013 at 6:42:57 AM

Actually, according to the page history it was edited before the other one was cut. It's not a recreation issue; it's a duplicate page (and poorly written page) issue.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1159: Dec 10th 2013 at 11:21:38 AM

The Can Can Song: As I stated earlier, my vote is to outright cut it, not rework it.

Hands Up: Cut and send through YKTTW.

Xenophobic Egocentric Notorious Otherworlder: Cut that one as well.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1160: Dec 10th 2013 at 11:46:43 PM

I'll probably take care of a "three works" proposal today. I'll wait for a few more votes on Hands Up.

Today's worklist, by the way:

  • The Can Can Song: To be honest, I have to ask if this can be fixed by moving it to the Main/ space - it's a trope page as-is - and probably not cutworthy as-is -, not a work page.
  • Lessa: This needs lots of cleaning. I am not up for it at the moment.
  • New Year's Eve: No examples. Creator messaged.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
StiffShots World's Okayest Fretless Bassist from Any dive bar with a backline Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
World's Okayest Fretless Bassist
#1161: Dec 11th 2013 at 6:14:19 AM

Hello. Author of The Cancan Song here. Certainly didn't mean to cause any confusion. The page was intended to be a music sub-trope, but I discovered after the fact that there wasn't an appropriate music-index page to park it on. So whether you want to reclassify it or nuke it outright, I'll abide by your decision.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1162: Dec 11th 2013 at 2:18:54 PM

Seems like you wanted to make a trope about a specific song to me. I advise to go through YKTTW the next time you make a trope - it can avoid lots of confusion.

Anyhow, one last batch of pages before I go to sleep:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1163: Dec 11th 2013 at 11:40:03 PM

I'll see this afternoon about a thread on a Creator/ pages standard.

Anyhow, a few new pages for this thread's attention:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1164: Dec 12th 2013 at 9:58:15 AM

Winning Over the Kids: I see potential, but it badly needs YKTTW. I vote cut the page and advise the poster to send it there.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1165: Dec 12th 2013 at 11:55:13 AM

I fundamentally agree, but due to temporary exhaustion I'll take care of that tomorrow afternoon - and the Get Help With English Thread, too.

Now, another worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1166: Dec 13th 2013 at 12:20:48 AM

I took care of the "problem editors"/their pages mentioned above. Also, under the policy agreed upon earlier, I've moved HappinessCharge Pretty Cure! to a sandbox page.

Also, another worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1167: Dec 13th 2013 at 1:25:42 AM

Sliding Scale Of Magic Versus Technology: Viable concept, the execution could be better.

The description could use more work, in line with other Sliding Scales. The examples could use more detail. I get the impression of 'this is where this work/world falls on the Magitk scale, here's a few bits to show why'. A few details would be helpful in understanding why the trope applies.

I think magic that turns out to be hi tech would probably work as a subversion.

I'd advise kick it back to YKTTW for now.

Attack on Titan Abridged: That page isn't even really a stub. According to his edit history, that troper's been around more than long enough to know better. If he doesn't fix, cut.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#1168: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:08:46 AM

That sliding scale page definitely needs some cooking in YKTTW, so cut and message him to send it through there. I do see some promise with it though.

As a matter of fact, I'm surprised nobody's created something like that before...

edited 13th Dec '13 2:09:44 AM by tryrar

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1169: Dec 13th 2013 at 5:16:00 AM

People might have seen Magitek and figured that covered it. But this is a very different approach.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1170: Dec 13th 2013 at 5:33:06 AM

My own motions on the discussed entries:

Also, on CMR Rosa, I will need opinions on the pages they made: Ben 10 Alien Vampire, Ed Edd N Eddy Teen Series (which seems to be the wrong title, anyhow), The Hanging Ten Saga, If-you-don-t-Fight-you-don-t-Survive (which will be cutlisted for being under a hyphenated title), Kingdom Hearts III Trials Of The Keyblade and The Matrix Effect.

On Ekuran's pages, I recall messaging them in the past, but I don't know anymore if it was for ZCE or lack of crosswicking; given [1], [2] and [3] I am inclined to message them again.

A new worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1171: Dec 14th 2013 at 1:23:25 AM

Going to need input on the entries requested in the past post still. Also, I discussed the issues with Ekuran, so we shouldn't get any more problems from there.

Worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1172: Dec 14th 2013 at 4:05:54 AM

CMR Rosa: Unless someone else knows the fics and wants to work on the pages, cutlist them.

Winning over the Kids: If it keeps showing improvement and gets up to standard, leave it. If it doesn't improve further, cut and boot to YKTTW.

Freakin Awesome Network: Ask for examples for now.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1173: Dec 14th 2013 at 11:24:08 AM

Agree with Candi on both Winning Over and Sliding Scale.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1174: Dec 14th 2013 at 12:40:10 PM

Given the preceding posts, I think I'll hold off on the CMR Rosa for 3 days and message the editors of Winning Over the Kids and Freakin Awesome Network. Apropos, I would consider whether to move the fics to the Main/ space before cutlisting them for stubbiness if they stay that way; seems like a nice way to keep the FanFic/ page open while locking the Main/ one, although it would need some more input.

Going to need a comment on The Cancan Song still; cutlist endorsed, but not conclusively.

Another worklist:

Also, I've made a thread in Wiki Talk to suggest for a "at least 3 citations" policy for creator pages, as was talked about before in this thread.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1175: Dec 15th 2013 at 1:57:42 AM

Today's worklist is short so far:

  • Capto Iugulum: A descriptionless page; in the wrong namespace, to boot.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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