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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

kjnoren Since: Feb, 2011
#1001: Nov 16th 2013 at 2:12:18 PM

I agree on cutting Significant Insignia.

I see no reason to spend time hunting down extant pages of not yet published works. I think the policy needs to be somewhat flexible as well. I believe trailers and sample chapters might provide enough of a basis to start a works page and identify tropes.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1002: Nov 16th 2013 at 2:59:00 PM

Well, if no opposing motions are filed, I'll take care of Significant Insignia tomorrow. Also, I'll note that on unreleased works, if people can't find enough tropes to add, they'll probably be cut anyhow.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#1003: Nov 16th 2013 at 5:06:18 PM

Cut Significant Insignia. As it stands, it's about all insignia.

Pages for not-yet-released works —- Move them to the Sandbox namespace and message their creators to work on them there at least until after release.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1004: Nov 16th 2013 at 7:57:43 PM

[up]I second that. [tup] smile It strikes me as a lovely way to handle the problem without having to reopen the page later. Plus if it's in the wrong namespace, it can be moved to the right one when it's ready to go.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1005: Nov 17th 2013 at 1:43:54 AM

OK, seems like we have agreement on cutting Significant Insignia, and I agree with moving as-yet unreleased works to sandboxes.

Otherwise, today's to-do list:

edited 17th Nov '13 2:29:54 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1006: Nov 17th 2013 at 3:59:12 AM

Just throwing in additional support to the idea of keeping unreleased works in the Sandbox field.

However, that being said, if we start doing that, perhaps we should create some sort of index for those sandboxes so that people that might be interested in contributing to them, or moving them when released, might have an easier time finding them.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1008: Nov 17th 2013 at 4:56:30 AM

Hmm ... I don't know about that one. I do always PM people when I move their pages like that.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1009: Nov 17th 2013 at 5:07:39 AM

Have the page and the PM? Cover more then one base?

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1010: Nov 17th 2013 at 5:31:36 AM

About the Administrivia page, I am preoccupied of it meeting the same end of Needs an Index.

Also, two other pages I found today:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1011: Nov 17th 2013 at 6:12:13 AM

The usefulness of an index is so that more than just a handful of people know it exists, just encouraging multiple people to take an interest in developing the pages rather than treating it like a private project.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#1012: Nov 17th 2013 at 6:21:18 AM

Needs An Index is for otherwise-complete pages already in the main wiki that haven't been added to an index yet. Unreleased Works Sandbox is for pages that are for, as it says, works that have not yet been released and therefore cannot be correctly or completely filled out yet. It's two completely different things.

Move the page to the sandbox and message the person who made it that that's where it is so that they can still work on it. And, as Catbert says, other people can also find it to work on it.It doesn't have to be one or the other, do both.

edited 17th Nov '13 6:22:35 AM by Madrugada

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1013: Nov 17th 2013 at 9:11:18 AM

^That differentiation doesn't really address the issue. That said, I see some agreement on the sandbox moving here, so we can go ahead with that technique.

In the meantime, another new page:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1014: Nov 17th 2013 at 9:22:15 AM

Looks like it is covering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makoto_Raiku

EDIT PS:

I fixed a few problems and moved it to Creator.Makoto Raiku. I also indexed it, crosswicked, expanded the works list and turned the works list into an index.

I also PM'd the article creator asking him to expand the description and tropes list.

edited 17th Nov '13 9:41:19 AM by Catbert

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1015: Nov 17th 2013 at 10:11:26 AM

Also support moving unpublished but upcoming works to Sandbox/.

Jangle Pop looks okay to me. It's a genre page.

Viewers Are Horny is... huh? Cut, I guess. It doesn't seem like a good redirect to All Men Are Perverts (as that is an actual gendered trope), which is what it had been. And it has no content to even consider saving.

Man of Tai Chi: If even the creating troper hasn't seen it, then I would think we have no option but to cut it, as it has zero tropes. Although the description part actually looks decent.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1016: Nov 17th 2013 at 11:59:43 AM

A new batch of new pages:

I am also thinking of moving Obduction and Man of Tai Chi to Sandbox/ pages.

Amy Sally And Mina still needs work done on it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Owen547 Since: Nov, 2013
#1017: Nov 17th 2013 at 12:58:01 PM

On the topic of Combat Parkour. I have added a draft to YKTTW as was suggested to me, thank you Septimus Heap. This has been working out so far. My plan is too keep the public page Combat Parkour very general, and when I have a perfected page (through YKTTW), I will add in all the details at one time. Would that work? - Never mind. I just figured out that the trope I created already exists. Could someone help me in fixing the mistake? How do I delete the page?

edited 17th Nov '13 3:13:44 PM by Owen547

kjnoren Since: Feb, 2011
#1018: Nov 17th 2013 at 11:29:53 PM

Hit Tools in the sidebar, open Cut list, and enter the name of the page and a short explanation.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1019: Nov 17th 2013 at 11:50:21 PM

@Owen, which page is it a duplicate of?

Anyhow, today's to-do list:

edited 18th Nov '13 7:16:48 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Owen547 Since: Nov, 2013
#1020: Nov 18th 2013 at 7:37:51 AM

It is very very similar to She-Fu.

And I tried the cut page, but I haven't been a member long enough.

edited 18th Nov '13 7:38:39 AM by Owen547

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1021: Nov 18th 2013 at 7:50:34 AM

I think it's better to wait for this YKTTW to conclude.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1022: Nov 18th 2013 at 11:39:44 AM

Another stubby article with only one good example: Serangoon Road.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1023: Nov 18th 2013 at 2:56:49 PM

Added some tropes to Man of Tai Chi. Should be enough to keep it from getting cut. I'm going to try to watch the movie this weekend to flesh it out some more.

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1024: Nov 18th 2013 at 11:16:44 PM

Today:

edited 19th Nov '13 8:13:25 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1025: Nov 19th 2013 at 12:15:36 PM

Doublepost, because there are two tricky propositions now:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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