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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

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#10151: Jul 16th 2021 at 12:11:29 PM

Well, we got two stealth launches for today. Is there gonna be an addressing of this?

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#10152: Jul 17th 2021 at 2:33:38 AM

Has Presumed Flop been stealth launched?

The last comment on the draft is a question about whether it's trivia or YMMV, then it was suddenly launched. On the live Discussion Page, the trope launcher (who adopted it because it had been inactive) asks about it needing to be Trivia. Someone else asks about it needing to be YMMV. It's now been made YMMV, but this issue was raised and clearly not resolved during the draft stage. Yet another troper has gone through the description fixing it to make it work-neutral instead of film-specific (something that was pointed out needed doing on the draft, but which clearly was never addressed). Other tropers have also been fixing the formatting of examples on the live page, something that also should have been done during the draft stage, surely?

So, it's definitely been launched with problems and feels like it's still being treated like a draft even though it's now live.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 17th 2021 at 10:36:41 AM

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#10153: Jul 17th 2021 at 3:41:03 AM

Well, we got two stealth launches for today. Is there gonna be an addressing of this?

My first thought was "just holler the post and say that they were rogue launched", but then I realized that it would probably piss off The Powers That Be.

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#10154: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:42:05 AM

I monitor this thread but I'm not sure if there's an absolute agreement on stealth launches. Standard practice is to page the users who did it and ask them to participate in this thread. I can unlaunch them, no problem.

Edit: Sonic Shockwave was unlaunched but appears to have been edited post-launch (or not; it's redlinking now). I unlaunched Presumed Flop.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 17th 2021 at 8:45:26 AM

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#10155: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:46:24 AM

I was getting the other two.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#10156: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:13:22 AM

[up][up][up] Got it. I'll do that in future. Paging ~magnumtropus to flag the unlaunch of Presumed Flop.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 17th 2021 at 2:13:38 PM

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magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#10157: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:40:17 AM

Hi. got the memo.

Regarding Presumed Flop, I actually did give the 24 hour launch notice two days ago.

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#10158: Jul 17th 2021 at 7:28:51 AM

In this case the issue is more...

  • Discussion on the Draft Must be Complete: By "complete" we mean that there are no major unaddressed issues with the draft. While it isn't always possible to address every single issue that every single person brings up, you do have to make a good-faith effort at least give a satisfactory response to all concerns.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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#10159: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:00:28 AM

Was Cuckoo Finger Twirl stealth launched? I don't recall seeing a notice. Also, the sponsor never addressed my concerns that the quote doesn't illustrate anything...

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#10160: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:39:43 AM

It had a notice to launch today in the title, and I think the quote works for helping explain what the gesture means.

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#10161: Jul 18th 2021 at 10:58:17 AM

Alright, though I still needed to get rid of a pothole there, despite telling the sponsor specifically to remove them.

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#10162: Jul 18th 2021 at 2:37:34 PM

Ummmm, was Demographic-Dissonant Crossover a stealth launch? I haven't heard about it since this morning and it just launched.

Then again I wasn't on TV Tropes for a few hours so it might've gotten a title notice by then. I'm just making sure since from what I heard stealth launching is against the rules.

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#10163: Jul 18th 2021 at 5:13:16 PM

It looks like the sponsor mentioned the desire to launch in a comment on July 1st, but never actually made an official launching announcement.

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#10164: Jul 18th 2021 at 6:33:52 PM

Maybe someone else stealth launch it instead? I'm pretty sure there's a feature that lets you see who launched a trope.

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#10165: Jul 18th 2021 at 6:38:41 PM

No, it was the sponsor. You just need to look at the recent launches list.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 18th 2021 at 9:38:48 AM

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#10166: Jul 18th 2021 at 7:03:28 PM

Oh okay, thanks for the tip. Sooo, anyway, it's a late stealth launch since it was mentioned in the comments that it'll they want to launch on July 1st (not officially announce it). From what I read on this thread (I got a little curious), the usual procedure is to unlaunch it and give a notice to the sponsor. IDK how to unlaunch a launched draft, but I can message the sponsor.

EDIT: I messaged the sponsor about it. I think we should somewhat take it easy on them since they might've gotten quite busy by the time July 1st rolled around, forgot about the draft, found it again and realized they haven't launched it, so they went to launch it.

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Jul 18th 2021 at 9:31:03 AM

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#10167: Jul 18th 2021 at 9:02:48 PM

Demographic-Dissonant Crossover has some overlap with Story-Breaker Team-Up.

Some of the examples from the latter can be moved to the former, especially if both original works share the same mood in general.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jul 18th 2021 at 12:03:36 PM

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#10168: Jul 18th 2021 at 9:04:31 PM

The given distinction is that the new trope isn't just for different tones, but different age demographics. I kind of see it as a subtrope.

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#10169: Jul 18th 2021 at 9:16:44 PM

[up]From the description of Story-Breaker Team-Up:

Last but not least is the content of the featured series. If you've got a series Rated M for Money teaming up with a far less violent series, the former will most likely be bowdlerised for the crossover so as to not clash aesthetically and/or upset the owners of the less violent series.

In that case, that paragraph should be replaced with a link to Demographic-Dissonant Crossover and examples that belong to the new trope should be moved there if it has to do with demographics rather than mood.

Do you agree?

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jul 18th 2021 at 12:30:40 PM

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#10170: Jul 19th 2021 at 7:43:41 AM

[up] That works out.

Okay, a little update about the Demographic-Dissonant Crossover sponsor. They replied to me saying that they weren't aware of the rule against stealth launches and were in fact busy during July 1st. They also said they'll try to not make the mistake again.

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#10171: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:11:34 PM

Generic Doomsday Alien was quietly launched with a net two hats.

Personally I don't see how it's distinct from Aliens Are Bastards, which isn't linked anywhere in the description or even the TLP.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jul 19th 2021 at 4:12:19 AM

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#10172: Jul 19th 2021 at 1:39:37 PM

[up][up]I noticed that quite a large number of examples in Story-Breaker Team-Up are also in Demographic-Dissonant Crossover.

It would be great to go through both tropes to clean them out.

By the way, I have also mentioned copyright and trademark issues regarding Demographic-Dissonant Crossover.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jul 19th 2021 at 4:54:52 AM

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#10173: Jul 19th 2021 at 2:38:21 PM

Elaborate on the last sentence.

Edited by Delibirda on Jul 19th 2021 at 11:38:38 AM

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#10174: Jul 19th 2021 at 2:39:04 PM

Unlaunched Generic Doomsday Alien. ~adblue, you are not allowed to launch a trope in this condition with no warning.

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#10175: Jul 19th 2021 at 2:45:50 PM

[up][up]This is what I meant:

This is also quite common in Fan Works, as the world of fanfiction gives aspiring writers the ability to combine whatever franchises they are fans of without copyright or trademark concerns as long as the fanfiction creator doesn't profit from the fan works nor deprive the creators of the original works of revenue. Fan works, naturally, do not have to worry about adhering to network standards, and can make the child-oriented properties as "adult" as they wish to a certain degree without attracting lawyers from the creators of the original properties who fear that the fan works would ruin the reputation if these fan works become sufficiently popular and later implement a Fan-Work Ban.

The copyright and trademark part was added by me in Demographic-Dissonant Crossover

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