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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

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#8201: May 8th 2020 at 9:18:37 PM

Brains For Brawns launched with only 2 net hats.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 8th 2020 at 12:18:50 PM

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#8202: May 8th 2020 at 9:36:49 PM

[up] The grammar on that page is really awkward, especially on the laconic (which also misspells "proportional" and "intelligence"). Even the title doesn't sound right to me (it should be "Brains for Brawn").

Edited by Serac on May 8th 2020 at 11:37:29 AM

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#8204: May 9th 2020 at 8:39:07 AM

Business Is Business and Keystone Superpower are still there...

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#8205: May 9th 2020 at 11:00:52 AM

[up] Yeah, can we get at least Business Is Business unlaunched? It's too similar to another trope and the title issue was never resolved.

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#8206: May 10th 2020 at 4:12:30 AM

Terminally Exclusive Club may need to be unlaunched. It doesn't seem like it'll be able to meet the 12 wick standard on Wick at the moment.

Agreed with unlaunching those previously mentioned tropes as well.

Edited by Piterpicher on May 10th 2020 at 1:14:13 PM

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#8207: May 10th 2020 at 1:07:38 PM

[up] Granted, that page was just updated, so we need to ease into enforcing it. I'm not that concerned over it, especially since it's been stewing for a while. Might just be an uncommon trope.

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#8208: May 10th 2020 at 2:17:43 PM

It being an uncommon trope... Interesting, I thought it's something I'd say (not saying that this isn't one). Admittedly, the Wick reform is fairly new (9 days ago from what I can tell), and this is the first time anyone's bringing it up.

I certainly think that the new standard should start being enforced (not only does it ensure better starts, but it also makes it likelier that a trope has a presence in fiction, with this one appearing to rely on non-fiction ones). I don't know how to ensure a smooth transition to it, though. Maybe add a link to it on TLP Guidelines and start telling people if their drafts have >=5 net hats but won't get 12 wicks?

Edited by Piterpicher on May 10th 2020 at 11:29:49 AM

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#8209: May 10th 2020 at 2:20:13 PM

Maybe, but we already had to add a point about how Crosswicking is mandatory, and people still are ignoring that, so I'm not sure how many people would pay attention. It's probably a good idea, but enforcing it takes more than just changing a guidelines page.

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#8210: May 11th 2020 at 5:40:35 AM

Admittedly, that TLP Guidelines page doesn't seem to make crosswicking sound mandatory (though adding the info about the 12 wick there would still be better than nothing). As for trying to enforce it, I may post comments mentioning how a trope isn't launchable at its current state, like here.

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#8211: May 11th 2020 at 1:32:55 PM

My concern is that you're posting them on drafts nobody has intented to launch yet; all the ones you've bumped have been stagnant, meaning they're far less likely to launch.

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#8212: May 11th 2020 at 2:05:30 PM

My issue with it is that by saying "it's not launchable in its current state because of the wicks," you're implicitly saying that's the only thing keeping it from being launchable. There's a lot wrong with some of the TL Ps I've seen bumped; a lack of wicks isn't the worst of it.

Just something to keep in mind.

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#8213: May 11th 2020 at 2:07:38 PM

[up] Another good point.

Basically it's good to try and enforce this rule, but the way you're doing it is...not as great. I'd personally only bring it up if it's an otherwise good draft people are thinking of launching.

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#8214: May 11th 2020 at 3:04:19 PM

Those are good points. Admittedly, today's little mission has led to a couple of positive developments (like finding out one draft which is a dud covered by other tropes and getting examples for two others), but the concerns that these drafts are not likely to be launched yet and that just pointing out wicks while ignoring other problems may be misleading are understandable (I admit that I was mostly going through pages 45 and 80 of the Most Hats list without much consideration for dates).

But okay, I will give the stamp of "not enough wicks to meet the 12 Standard" disapproval to drafts that are more recent, better, and someone feels like launching (this seemed like one), if I feel like finding them.

Edited by Piterpicher on May 11th 2020 at 12:09:09 PM

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#8215: May 11th 2020 at 7:30:41 PM

Upsetting the Balance's title is vague on what kind of balance. It could be confused with upsetting the Balance of Power or any other kind of "mundane" balance.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#8216: May 13th 2020 at 12:04:50 AM

Legion of Super-Heroes (2020) was created over a month ago on the 1st of April, yet has only one trope example on the page.

I messaged the troper who created the page, 4 days ago, but I haven't received any response back.

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#8217: May 13th 2020 at 12:02:35 PM

I don't have an issue with the title of Upsetting the Balance. However, there does seem to be a crosswicking issue. With 20+ examples on the page and accounting for the three indexes, it should have way more than 7 wicks. I'll PM (and ping) ~The Gray Shadow to let 'em know about this discussion. I don't think the trope needs to be sent back, considering (1) people shouldn't base their understandings of tropes solely on their titles and (2) the title was not brought up as an issue prior to launch.

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#8218: May 13th 2020 at 2:44:09 PM

[up] It would be an issue if "upsetting other kind of balance" could be a trope of its own.

Edited by 4tell0life4 on May 13th 2020 at 9:34:18 AM

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#8219: May 13th 2020 at 3:14:41 PM
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#8220: May 13th 2020 at 3:18:37 PM

the title was not brought up as an issue prior to launch

That only matters if you know the reason behind why the title was not brought up as an issue prior to launch. What if someone ninja-launches a trope right as someone else was trying to figure out what was bugging them about the title?

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#8221: May 13th 2020 at 9:41:14 PM

The launcher responded. They're new? Hopefully they'll comment in the thread.

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#8222: May 13th 2020 at 9:44:57 PM

Here to respond to the suggestion made by @Water Blap. I'll be getting around to finishing the crosswicking of my first trope. In case you're wondering I already asked for help on indexing at a different thread. For those wondering what the title actually means, Upsetting the Balance is when a character upsets the balance of the world, if not the universe, and is usually punished for it.

Edited by TheGrayShadow on May 13th 2020 at 9:51:11 AM

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#8223: May 13th 2020 at 10:55:30 PM

[up] Can it count upsetting the Balance of Power? Or the gag when someone tries balancing on something and someone else pranks them into losing that balance?

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#8224: May 14th 2020 at 6:07:24 PM

I've been getting concerned over a specific trend in the TLP to make subtropes/variants of pre-existing tropes, but not explaining why the concept is actually a distinct trope. These drafts tend to get a lot of hats and examples really really quickly, but comments asking what the difference between it and the OG trope is either get ignored or brushed under the rug.

The one I'm really concerned over is BBQ Episode, which nobody has attempted to actually defend to me despite my asking what the actual difference between it and Picnic Episode is multiple times. It has an excessive amount of hats and people keep posting examples, but nobody seems to be thinking about anything deeper than whether or not examples of it exists. I'm afraid it'll be launched before anyone makes the effort to justify it existing.

I'm also concerned over the far more recent draft The Good Unfavorite, but that's a lesser case since some of the other posters also seem to echo my concerns and an actual discussion is taking place, even if I still think people are focused so much on how much content the draft has that they're not considering if it's actually needed.

Not even saying that these are objectively untropeworthy; just that people seem to be jumping the gun with both drafts and not actually thinking it through all the way. If people have considered these issues before hatting, the least they could do is explain their POV in the comments. It seems like another flaw with the TLP system as a whole; a lot of people base their hats and feedback on how the draft looks, without actually considering the content itself and whether or not it's good. The more examples something has, the more people can be convinced something is tropeworthy even if it's not.

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#8225: May 15th 2020 at 9:35:18 PM

@Mesopotamian Monstrosity: 2 words:why Mesopotamia?

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