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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#8051: Apr 14th 2020 at 9:44:26 AM

Thing is, drafts don't always have to be launched by a sponsor specifically. Sometimes the sponsor is unable to launch and needs someone else to help out; so while that notice would be correct and useful 90% of the time, it won't always be correct. That's very niche though, so it probably isn't worth worrying about.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#8052: Apr 14th 2020 at 11:01:47 AM

How about "Please give the TLP sponsor opportunity to launch, and make sure all issues and discussions regarding the draft are resolved before doing so"?

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#8053: Apr 14th 2020 at 11:08:21 AM

[up][up] I used the word sponsor more generally than the OP who started the draft. :-) If the draft is up for grabs and someone takes it by saying so in the comments or by mentioning it at top of the draft, they become what I consider the new sponsor.

[up] I quite like it.

Edited by XFllo on Apr 14th 2020 at 8:11:56 PM

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#8054: Apr 14th 2020 at 11:12:29 AM

[up] I meant that there might be a Sponsor but that Sponsor might not necessarily be the one who launches the draft. The rule excludes non participants from launching, not non-Sponsors as a whole. Again, it's rare and niche, but it's possible for a valid launch to come from someone who isn't a sponsor.

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#8055: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:29:39 PM

Yeah, if there's a draft that's actually ready for launch (as indicated by a consensus in the comments) and the sponsor has disappeared, nothing wrong with someone else launching it. But they need to check with the community that this is actually the case.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#8056: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:38:11 PM

Other cases of this is if the Sponsor physically can't launch it (such as due to an Edit Ban), doesn't know how to launch properly and wants help, or just doesn't have the time to finish the job and will trust one of the other draft participants with it.

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4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#8057: Apr 14th 2020 at 2:16:33 PM

[up] I'll let you know that sponsor doesn't always = draft maker.

Perhaps what you guys want is for the ability to give the "draft sponsor" position to someone else?

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#8058: Apr 14th 2020 at 2:20:41 PM

Again, no.

There are several instances where the sponsor, not necessarily the one who made the draft, but the draft's acting sponsor, can't launch it and someone else, who also contributed, steps in. That's not a rogue launch, but it's a non-sponsor launch.

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TheGreatConversation daughter of bilitis from Typhon Since: Apr, 2017 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
daughter of bilitis
#8059: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:10:29 PM

Britannia Rule The World was stealth-launched by its sponsor rackham7 despite having net -2 hats and an ongoing discussion including concerns about the title and formatting.

Edit: this seems to have been unlaunched.

Edited by TheGreatConversation on Apr 14th 2020 at 6:35:16 AM

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#8060: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:16:50 PM

It's still on the launch list though... was it cut? There's no cut reason, though, and it's not on the cutlist.

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#8061: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:17:47 PM

The launches page still shows it there and the TLP draft can't be found when I search for "Britannia". This is probably a glitch and I think I've actually seen it before.

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Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 14th 2020 at 12:21:05 PM

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#8062: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:19:42 PM

Well, I unlaunched it.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 14th 2020 at 6:22:45 AM

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TheGreatConversation daughter of bilitis from Typhon Since: Apr, 2017 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
daughter of bilitis
#8063: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:27:40 PM

Draft is back on the launch pad.

Should the sponsor be pinged for rogue launching?

Edited by TheGreatConversation on Apr 14th 2020 at 6:28:09 AM

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#8064: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:31:05 PM

[up] Technically stealth-launching, but yeah.

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4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#8065: Apr 14th 2020 at 6:57:59 PM

Do launchings always need announcement?

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#8066: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:09:32 PM

Preferably, but the real issue with stealth-launching is that stealth-launching sponsors often launch without bothering to consider the net hat count or any remaining on-draft discussion. It's less about announcing an intent to launch and more about just launching it spontaneously without anyone expecting it, often giving no time for any discussion to resolve or for more critically-eyed tropers to notice issues.

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TheGreatConversation daughter of bilitis from Typhon Since: Apr, 2017 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
daughter of bilitis
#8067: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:36:00 PM

riowinslow just rogue-launched Lesbians Love Violets, which was not ready. Unlaunch please?

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It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (10,238/50,000)
#8068: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:36:53 PM

...Holy shit, and as we were just discussing it, too.

So weird all the rogue launches that have been happening lately. Feels like more than usual. Self-isolation boredom, maybe?

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 14th 2020 at 10:40:34 AM

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Lost in Space
#8069: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:38:39 PM

Unlaunched, suspended.

Edit: We appear to have a fine little bit of drama over that one, in fact. Meatpuppeting.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 14th 2020 at 11:01:10 AM

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#8070: Apr 15th 2020 at 8:15:03 AM

Isn't Barely Changed Dub Name The Same But More Specific to Dub Name Change?

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#8071: Apr 15th 2020 at 10:35:26 AM

I'm in favor of removing Barely Changed Dub Name due to example overlap with Dub Name Change. The issue here is one of degree, where Dub Name Change has claimed to be for "drastically different names" since at least 2012, but in practice it seems to be used for any significant change, meaning that it already covers any non-chairs name change. This makes Barely Changed Dub Name not only redundant but also chairs. On top of that, some of the examples, such as Eclair to Claire or Vanilla to Vanille, are not "barely" changed considering how drastic a change manipulating one letter can make.

Though I would also like to add that Dub Name Change has a big problem with ZC Es and I hate the organization of its examples and Barely Changed Dub Name at least attempts to give examples context.

Edited by WaterBlap on Apr 15th 2020 at 12:39:23 PM

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Dghcrh You can't escape this monster from Small country that looks like a fish Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#8072: Apr 15th 2020 at 1:20:04 PM

I'm indifferent towards cutting. Most of the works I've crosswicked the examples to already have Dub Name Change on the page (and they had context). Not sure what ~Pichu-kun thinks, though.

Edited by Dghcrh on Apr 15th 2020 at 11:51:04 AM

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#8073: Apr 15th 2020 at 3:30:18 PM

I don't mind if it's cut, if that's what others want. I put it Up For Grabs because I wasn't interested in it anymore anyway.

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#8074: Apr 16th 2020 at 7:07:19 AM

Mechanical Ecosystem doesn't seem like a proper launch.

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#8075: Apr 16th 2020 at 7:32:04 AM

Yes it does. It has a fair amount of examples, more than 5 net hats and was launched by the sponsor. There is one mistake with the examples that'll have to be fixed, though.

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