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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Jul 24th 2019 at 5:37:33 PM

I think people are being a little silly with this Squirting Flower thing supposedly sounding inappropriate - but I do think making it Squirting Flower Gag makes it much clearer what it refers to.

Edited by nrjxll on Jul 24th 2019 at 7:37:50 AM

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 24th 2019 at 5:39:20 PM

My main concern was the trope showing up on squicky google-searches because of it

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Jul 24th 2019 at 6:58:33 PM

I can't say my mind went to anything squicky at first read, but "Squirting Flower Gag" explains the purpose of the trope better than merely "Squirting Flower".

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 24th 2019 at 6:59:02 PM

[up] Yup.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Jul 24th 2019 at 8:11:15 PM

Well, the only thing I turn up when I Google "squirting flower" is the novelty item, and Google knows all about the dirty shit I usually search for, so if anybody should be turning up naughtiness it would be me. I think y'all are overreacting, personally.

Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Jul 24th 2019 at 8:38:20 PM

It frankly sounds awful and suggestive enough for a rename. Squirting Flower Gag sounds way better. It also is a specific enough gag that context isn't very difficult. At least compared to a Stock Visual Gag.

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Karxrida Art by @anoderp from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Art by @anoderp
Jul 24th 2019 at 10:26:50 PM

I feel like people are reaching really far with the innuendo concerns ("flower" isn't exactly the first thing that makes me think "vagina"), but I do agree that putting "gag" in the name is necessary for clarity.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 24th 2019 at 10:28:56 AM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jul 25th 2019 at 12:03:43 PM

I think Clear, Concise, Witty is a more compelling argument than I Thought It Meant.

I love when bad shows have great music. Sometimes, it can be worth the hassle of sitting through a bad work.
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jul 25th 2019 at 12:10:57 PM

Laconic.Squirting Flower has not been cut.

I love when bad shows have great music. Sometimes, it can be worth the hassle of sitting through a bad work.
alnair20aug93 The Taste of Inktober from Furrypines Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Taste of Inktober
Jul 25th 2019 at 1:19:08 PM

And there are still wicks from Squirting Flower that need to be de-wicked.

[down]Ah. I should suggest a soft dewick, which is commenting them out until it's been properly launched.

You don't want red links on your trope lists, do you?

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Jul 25th 2019 at 4:24:05 PM

That's all there is. There isn't anymore. YOWZA!!!
WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 25th 2019 at 1:20:23 PM

Wouldn't it be easier to launch with the better title, and then just convert the wicks over?

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Heating things up
Jul 25th 2019 at 3:01:15 PM

Laconic's cut now.

Jul 25th 2019 at 3:37:08 PM

Is "Flower Hose Gag" less clear than "Squirting Flower Gag"?

Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Jul 25th 2019 at 3:38:07 PM

Way less clear. Though the idea of it being a "Gag Item" type thing might work better. For other kinds of gag items ones can think of. There's a lot of stuff clowns use that could fit under there.

Omega Psycho Rangers Quest 64 Discord(very much safe for work)
Jul 25th 2019 at 3:42:42 PM

Way less clear.

Just as I suspected. I just had to get that idea out of my head so it would stop bugging me.

There's a lot of stuff clowns use that could fit under there.

That's news to me. What other squirting gag items do clowns use besides flowers?

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Jul 25th 2019 at 3:43:26 AM

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 25th 2019 at 8:52:39 PM

[up] While I can't personally think of any, that doesn't mean none exist.

Anyway, guys, can we once again acknowledge that the hatting system is utterly broken? I mean, how many times in this past month have we had poorly made drafts getting an excessive amount of hats in just a few hours, or alternatively, have we had drafts getting bombed to oblivion for no discernible reason?

I'm getting desperate, and I'm getting frustrated. Mods, once of you once said on this thread that TLP reform was on the table, but can I ask what reforms you and the staff are actually referring to, what kind of things will be fixed? Because the TLP is a broken system, abused way too easily, and something needs to be done about it. I can't blame the TLP community; a majority of the people there are experienced and skilled draft-makers who understand what is and is not launch-worthy, but that doesn't stop people from wandering in, pushing random buttons, and causing headaches for the rest of us.

That discussion from a little bit ago, about how we're enforcing quality standards after drafts get launched? Well this is exactly why we need this thread- because the TLP system allows for people to come in and create messes and not listen to other people before trying to launch a draft, which goes against the entire purpose of the launch pad and the wiki as a whole. We need ways to enforce these standards before launches can happen, but in many cases, that's near impossible without dragging mods into everything.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Jul 25th 2019 at 9:05:35 PM

I'm with War Jay. Some time ago, there was a TLP Reform Thread. Some time after the thread was closed, the site got updated... and the only changes to TLP that I noticed were cosmetic. I was so disappointed. I wanted to start TLP Reform Thread Number Two, but I didn't because I'm paranoid that I would be breaking some rule somewhere that I can't find, is there a rule about not starting reduxes of threads that moderators have closed?

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Jul 25th 2019 at 9:09:56 AM

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Jul 27th 2019 at 7:16:42 AM

While we understand the frustration with the slow pace of development, there is no point in griping about it. That won't make changes come any faster.

Anyway, I'm putting Webcomic.Warehouse on the stub list. Article creator and new account ~Liah_Faile has been notified.

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WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 27th 2019 at 11:18:47 AM

I just needed to vent; but I did also ask what sort of changes are being planned. Nobody has answered that yet. Reform is in the works, and Septimus mentioned once that the Admins were asked about hat anonymity, but is that it, or is there more? I just want to know that there are plans to change anything, and whether or not these changes are strictly based on that thread mentioned [up][up], or if anything we said here since has also been considered.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 28th 2019 at 7:02:11 PM

Black Dot Pupils was just stealth launched with 4 net hats.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Heating things up
Jul 29th 2019 at 6:28:43 AM

Unlaunched and messaged.

WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 29th 2019 at 11:42:28 AM

Would this be an acceptable place to have a discussion over the actual usage of bombs and hats, or should I open a wiki-talk thread? There's been debate lately over what hats and bombs are actually for, and I feel we should talk it out and settle it somewhere...

Edit: Eh, I'm just making a Wiki Talk thread.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 29th 2019 at 2:55:42 PM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 30th 2019 at 2:46:49 PM

Webcomic.Aurora was created by a new troper. I sent a message about the page being a stub, as when I saw it it was literally just a single-line description.

The "updated" version is hardly better, so what do? I always feel like I'm harassing people when I send them multiple notifiers in such a short time, but...

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
ShinyCottonCandy Actually sour cream from The Galar Region Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Actually sour cream
Jul 30th 2019 at 3:12:28 PM

[up]Even now, there’s zero non-ZCE tropes on that page. I understand the author of that page may be wanting wiki magic to kick in, but they should be made clear on the minimum expected for a work page creation, even if they are a free launch.

I need to think of a better signature.

Page Action: Armor Meter Points
6th Oct '19 6:36:53 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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Armor Meter Points doesn\'t match the other Meter and Points tropes like Life Meter and Hit Points.

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