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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#6376: Aug 22nd 2018 at 7:18:08 AM

Has Faking Another Person's Illness been prematurely launched? According to the YKTTW, there was a debate about the relationship of this new trope to Invented Invalid that doesn't seem to have been fully resolved. Was it resolved?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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#6377: Aug 22nd 2018 at 8:24:41 AM

[up]Come to think of it, there was still arguing over the name of Invented Invalid when it got launched.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6378: Aug 22nd 2018 at 8:24:53 AM

Maybe it's time to start a new TLP reform thread.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#6379: Aug 22nd 2018 at 8:55:23 AM

[up][up]Seems so. It got launched by someone who did not participate in the discussion. So, send back.

[up]So many drafts had been rogue launched by non-participants, especially the one above, so it should be appropriate to start another.

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#6380: Aug 22nd 2018 at 9:16:42 AM

Keep an eye on this draft and Can't Count Bullets, there's been arguments over the title simultaneous with cries of "launch it". Also, I don't know how Can't Count Bullets exists as a finished page when its draft is still active and not marked as being launched.

If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.
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Blapper of Water
#6381: Aug 22nd 2018 at 9:22:34 AM

Another TLP reform thread so soon would send the message that the last reform thread meant little to nothing. The current issues could potentially be solved by the previous reforms, but it doesn't look like any of them have been implemented.

Seriously, the only changes I can tell are (1) the name to TLP, (2) switching the display order of bombs-to-hats to hats-to-bombs, and (3) the implementation of a single TLP-specific "mod."

Where are the tags? Where is the third (neutral) option? Why haven't drafts factored in bombs to the hat count yet? Where are the bomb reasons?

There isn't much point in yet another reform thread when most of the discussed reforms haven't been implemented.

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#6382: Aug 22nd 2018 at 9:46:03 AM

Just to know that someone launched Divided for Adaptation and Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting by KIL 123, who did not participate in either draft. I even added a 'No Launching, Please tag to the former. I cannot even hide on how much I'm mad at this.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[down]Thank you.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:53:38 AM

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Lost in Space
#6383: Aug 22nd 2018 at 9:47:25 AM

Brand new user, probably thinks that TLP is some kind of merit badge system. I've banned them and unlaunched those tropes.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6384: Aug 22nd 2018 at 10:28:34 AM

I think we ought to ask tropers which do the bad launches why they did that. I suspect that the "new troper" feature on the home page is the reason of the recent uptick of bad launches but it's just a supposition so far.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6385: Aug 22nd 2018 at 10:58:14 AM

[up][up] is it possibly a sock launching their banned account's drafts? That's something I suspect when new users immediately start launching things properly, I remember when I was new to yk that there was a period of getting familiar.

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Lost in Space
#6386: Aug 22nd 2018 at 11:11:04 AM

There's no blatant sign of ban evasion.

[up][up] I personally think that new accounts should have TLP launch/discard privileges disabled for at least the first week they spend here.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#6387: Aug 22nd 2018 at 11:13:33 AM

"First week"? I'd make it "first six months" and only after being vetted for non-bot activity (i.e. they've participated in actual discussions with other contributors, whether on the forum, discussion pages, TLP, or other venues of troper—troper interactions).

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 22nd 2018 at 9:14:34 PM

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#6388: Aug 22nd 2018 at 12:37:08 PM

I thought that was also discussed. We don't want to scare off new tropers. Though that was before a problem like this became actual. A few days might not be too long but a month is overkill imo.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6389: Aug 22nd 2018 at 1:33:38 PM

I have asked about 19 premature launchers in July and August why they launched these TLPs prematurely. Standard Japanese Fantasy Setting needs its laconic cut by the way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#6390: Aug 22nd 2018 at 3:48:49 PM

I think we ought to ask tropers which do the bad launches why they did that. I suspect that the "new troper" feature on the home page is the reason of the recent uptick of bad launches but it's just a supposition so far.

I rarely have anything to do with launching tropes; in my case, it's definitely the home page that is the reason I've been asking about a couple of launches recently. Normally, a launch won't cross my radar unless it gets added to one of my watched pages. I'm sure that won't be the case for everything, but it is a possible factor for some of the uptick.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 22nd 2018 at 11:49:33 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Zerukin Ninja Gamer Writer from Palmtree Panic Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#6391: Aug 22nd 2018 at 5:17:50 PM

Maybe somebody should make an administrivia page about rogue launching. It does seem to be a problem that should be addressed.

Edited by Zerukin on Aug 22nd 2018 at 5:22:46 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6392: Aug 22nd 2018 at 11:13:48 PM

OK, it looks like all replies so far are apologies. Good but missing the point rather badly.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#6393: Aug 23rd 2018 at 4:34:11 AM

Just a heads up. Knows the Ropes has just been launched. There's another trope in the YKTTW called Combat Lasso. I've put a note in the Combat Lasso section asking them to consider whether it's distinct enough from Knows the Ropes or needs to be merged (it could be a sub-trope of Knows the Ropes or it could be The Same, but More Specific).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:35:01 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6394: Aug 23rd 2018 at 5:04:28 AM

[up]It shouldn't have been launched if there's discussion about a merge with another draft.

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Blapper of Water
#6396: Aug 23rd 2018 at 11:47:45 AM

~Zerukin has been launching tropes without crosswicking them. While I don't think many of the launched pages need to be sent back, I do think it's worth mentioning that the pages need to be crosswicked.

Pages include:

[putting that in a double post in order to send pings out to tropers]

Edited by WaterBlap on Aug 23rd 2018 at 11:56:36 AM

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6397: Aug 23rd 2018 at 11:57:23 AM

[double posting in order to send out pings to tropers]

Other pages that haven't been crosswicked yet (I suspect that this is going to be a problem associated with the "Newly Launched Tropes" feature):

Unrelated to the above, but Supernatural Floating Hair and Gorgeous Greek seem to be appearance tropes (and I thought we have an embargo on those). Also, Reaction Video seems to be trying to be a genre page but it also has a "this trope in media" section which conflates it with a Useful Notes page.

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Zerukin Ninja Gamer Writer from Palmtree Panic Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ninja Gamer Writer
#6398: Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:32:59 PM

I didn't know about crosswicking, so I apologize. I looked up the administivia page about what crosswicking meant, and I will get to work on it the moment I get home. My current location has slow internet.

Edited by Zerukin on Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:40:34 PM

Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#6399: Aug 23rd 2018 at 1:12:15 PM

That reminds me, I'd better start crosswicking Taking the Fight Outside.

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Zerukin Ninja Gamer Writer from Palmtree Panic Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ninja Gamer Writer
#6400: Aug 23rd 2018 at 4:39:49 PM

Alright. Did a lot of crosswicking for each of the tropes I launched. Don't know if I necessarily need to crosswick every example on the tropes page, though I'm sure it would be suggested.


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