Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages
. Launches
Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues
thread.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
Could the recently observed abuse of the hat/bomb system have spilled over to the crowner system? Because despite all the effort I've taken to explain on Monstrous Mandibles
's comment section why the current name of is subpar and the sponsor being quite cooperative despite not really agreeing with me, the title crowner
currently has the current name not only leading by an overwhelming margin, but the total number of votes for it is double that of the second-leading option (you'd think they'd vote down the other options they don't agree with).
There is absolutely no way
that Sliding Scale Of Prostitution was meant to be launched in that state.
Yeah... Rogue launched by Corben Cypher 72 who at no point participated in the discussion. The last activity on TLP was back in December - a question regarding whether we even allow new "Sliding Scales".
What about Caught Monologuing? Seems to have been launched by someone who didn't participate in the discussion, and the draft seems to have been unfinished, with the draft having the Main namespaces to it. Though I think it has been revamped after launching.
Should we send it back per protocol to be properly edited (but would waste the efforts of editing the formatting) or should we let it be in order for it to thrive?
Speaking of Not Thriving, as I have check this a month ago
I agree with @Larkmarn on the "Newest Tropes" feature on the Home Page being a double-edged sword. Not that it's a bad feature, it's kinda helpful if there are anomalies going on. Plus, the Launch Pad Activity is also helpful in any way as you could keep track on any recent draft activity.
Edited by alnair20aug93 on Aug 20th 2018 at 2:44:58 AM
ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔|I DO COMMISSIONS|ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔I suppose the silence regarding this question
means that the crowner result should be taken at face value and have Monstrous Mandibles launched under said name.
Self-Applied Nickname has been launched but it hasn't been indexed. And reading the description, it seems really off. I can't put my finger on what the problem is, but it almost feels like it's trying too hard to be a trope and slip into the cracks left by the other tropes it mentions without being as well-defined as them.
Edit: It's been indexed now.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 20th 2018 at 4:37:37 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Not sure if it's rigged, or if they really like Monstrous Mandibles...
I for one like Pincer Mouth.
- I say keep Caught Monologuing, even though it got rogue launched when it was poorly formatted by someone without participating and the sponsor's last activity was last year, though I already tapped the launcher for that.
- And Overly Long Hug and Healing Factor Burnout need to be paid attention, most especially the latter one, as it seemingly got launched (it's even on the launch list), but the page proper is blank.
Edited by alnair20aug93 on Aug 20th 2018 at 11:38:41 PM
ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔|I DO COMMISSIONS|ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔Western Animation Cliff Side was (very poorly) rogue launched.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallMain.Western Animation Cliff Side was launched into the wrong namespace with a bunch of TLP commentary left in. Moved it over without the commentary, and dumped the bad page on the cutlist.
WesternAnimation.Scream Street was created over a year ago and yet has only two tropes that aren't Zero Context Examples.
I messaged the person who created the page 3 days ago, but haven't gotten a response.
Edited by Anddrix on Aug 21st 2018 at 10:44:55 AM
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Pointing out, as I must, this page managed to get five hats in three days.
Hats are meaningless.
I still think that "Launching" a trope should send it to mods to review and not just straight up launch it.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
I agree that replacing immediate launches with submissions for mod review would be a good idea.
@Larkmarn, @Gaston Rabbit: Septimus Heap thinks mandatory mod review is a bad idea.
I remember suggesting an idea
to put a refinement platform with more rigorous standards as a step in between TLP and actually launching a trope.
Edited by Miss_Desperado on Aug 21st 2018 at 8:59:54 AM
If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.Speaking of mandatory, is it really mandatory for any launcher to participate in a draft before they launch them?
Because someone who did not participate in No Poker Face (draft
) launched it anywat without leaving even a single comment.
Also, Possessive Wrist Grab was launched by another troper who did not participate in the draft, although they did edited the formatting after launch as it was up for grabs.
Edited by alnair20aug93 on Aug 22nd 2018 at 1:13:10 AM
ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔|I DO COMMISSIONS|ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔Personally, I think that it should be brought up if there's a problem with the draft, or a problem with the launcher. For example, someone rogue launching/discarding en masse without commenting? That's a problem.
In the case of No Poker Face, that's a stub. It could easily fall into misuse for just "overly emotional character" or something. It doesn't help that "poker face" is an established term.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
That, and I think the launcher didn't even bother to extract the examples from the comment section. They just launched it, wicked it in only three links, and called it done.
Edited by alnair20aug93 on Aug 22nd 2018 at 1:16:08 AM
ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔|I DO COMMISSIONS|ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔For the hat issue I personally think it'd be a great idea to have the system prompt people to give a reason whenever they hat or bomb a draft. At the very least it'd let us know WHY people did what they did and at best it'd make people think more carefully before they act on the launch pad.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallWhat about disabling the options to launch or discard unless at least one comment has been posted? Maybe it wouldn't be a perfect solution, but it would be more manageable and less bureaucratic than making mods review launches. At the very least, instances of spam being posted just to enable the options would make it easier to tell rogue launches and discards apart from legitimate ones.
I got a rock for Halloween.The main problem is that hatting is not used to mean 'I think this is in a ready to launch state' it's used to mean 'I think this could be a trope' (probably because bomb means 'not a trope' so hat is taken to mean 'is a trope'). If there were 3 buttons: 'this isn't a trope' (bomb), 'this is a trope' (hat), and 'this is ready to launch', and you needed net 5 launches to get a trope up that might help. That way tropers have an easy way to show support for an idea without saying 'this is a finished product'. (edit: just saw that Miss_Desperado also suggested this idea on the TLP reform forum)
I also agree with others that needing to state your reasons for bombing and hatting would help, as people will be less likely to hat if they needed to provide a reason.
edit: as an aside, I also think a trope should have at least 10 examples before it can be launched because I've seen tropes go up with only 4 or 5 examples on the page.
Edited by Clanger00 on Aug 21st 2018 at 9:27:23 AM
They should, but the programmers didn't put any programs behind the bombs to enforce them, maybe because they forgot.
Anyway, I just wanted to remind you all that Enclosed Extraterrestrials and Little Green Man in a Can cover the same scope. One needs to be assimilated into the other, which still hasn't happened yet. I personally don't care which title remains standing, as long as the other is used as a redirect, but Marq FJ's preference
to fold Little Green Man in a Can into Enclosed Extraterrestrials and his reasons for doing it that way around make a lot of sense.
I wish we could have discussed the hat/bomb situation further at the TLP reform thread, but unfortunately, that thread has closed. I kinda like Miss_Desperado's suggestions, and the part about leaving a comment anyone could launch sounds reasonable.
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Caught Monologuing has multiple formatting issues and the draft
does not look at all like it was complete.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.