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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6176: Jun 20th 2018 at 1:10:41 PM

It's his 17th birthday tomorrow, nice. Easy delete.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6177: Jun 20th 2018 at 1:17:51 PM

Cut executed. They're PM'ing me right now and I'm trying to explain the policy. It's not going well.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6178: Jun 20th 2018 at 1:32:41 PM

I hope they understand, thanks for the cut.

Have you mentioned that making your own creator page can be allowed, as long as it follows the rules, and not only was that page overly-fluffy, it was also so full of weasel words that nobody reading it could make out what it is this kid does. Not to mention, he listed his date of birth which doesn't seem to be otherwise available freely and indicates that he's a minor, and this wiki wants to avoid all that mess where possible.

edited 20th Jun '18 1:35:12 PM by lakingsif

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6179: Jun 20th 2018 at 1:36:49 PM

I mentioned the fluff, yes, and I also said that we approach this sort of thing from the trope end, not from the creator end. For most You Tube content creators with significant bodies of work, we make a Web Video article first, not a Creator article, and it has to be about their work, not them.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6180: Jun 20th 2018 at 1:48:31 PM

So is he making a Web Video/ article now?

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6181: Jun 20th 2018 at 1:56:50 PM

Don't know. He's suspended from the wiki until he figures out what's what. I'm waiting for another reply before I decide what to do.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6182: Jun 20th 2018 at 2:07:39 PM

[up][tup] I'll let you get on with that.

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6183: Jun 20th 2018 at 3:54:45 PM

Back to the launches: as there were no other suggestions to rename Relative Unknown, it's been moved to Unknown Relative. I've also made Relative Unknown into a disambiguation page.

Motion for Putting the "Pal" in Principal and Fantasy Counterpart Religion to be sent back to TLP, I'll get a list of the thread's reasoning, follow the drafts, and pm the launchers.

edited 20th Jun '18 4:11:07 PM by lakingsif

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#6184: Jun 21st 2018 at 7:29:52 AM

Found Sonic The Hedgehog 2019 which so far has Zero tropes on it's main page despite having been created 4 months ago.

I've messaged the person who made the page 3 days ago, but they haven't responded.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6185: Jun 21st 2018 at 8:44:47 AM

That guy from before ban evaded to try to recreate their creator page under a different title. Bounced them and cut it again.

[up] That's a placeholder for an upcoming work. It's what I might call an "informal" violation of our rules. It has Trivia and YMMV subpages, even though some of the examples seem like they're written by whinging fans. It's probably not worth the effort to cut.

edited 21st Jun '18 8:47:06 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6186: Jun 22nd 2018 at 12:41:06 PM

This one might be a job for the P5, because I'm not certain this isn't straight up porn, but I'm posting here for the sake of procedure so the creator, refinlucy, can respond to the Stub notifier I'm sending along with doing this post if they're going to.

While fixing an entry in Potty Failure, I can across Omoani. Putting aside my earlier concern that this is just about fetish porn, other issues include ZCE's, bad indentation, the work's description being located in the synopsis subpage and the absence of any named characters.

I'm assuming this is doomed to the Cut List for one reason or another, but that's no reason not to do this right.


While I'm at it, there's been no action from the originator of the page I originally mentioned here, The Betrayed Of Issei Hyoudou. That may just be because they haven't been on, but regardless should I go ahead and cutlist it?

edited 22nd Jun '18 12:46:33 PM by sgamer82

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#6187: Jun 22nd 2018 at 1:14:41 PM

[up] Yeah, I'd say we can cut that latter page. Regarding Omoani... yuck. That's one for the trash pile.

edited 22nd Jun '18 1:15:17 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6188: Jun 22nd 2018 at 3:06:32 PM

Everything's been put on the cutlist.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6190: Jun 23rd 2018 at 4:47:11 AM

Banned, these stub pages ought to be all cut.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6191: Jun 23rd 2018 at 5:59:58 AM

Found one more by them EDENS ZERO, which actually seems to be legit, going no its only content of "Hiro Mashima's 3rd major work."

I'll add it to the Cut List regardless, along with the one mentioned [up][up]

The user PM'd me last night asking if the cut Omoani page could be recreated if notifier issues were fixed. I was direct and said 'no', as while works with fetish content aren't forbidden, this one in particular was nothing but the fetish and unlikely to pass content policy muster. note 


EDIT: I got a PM from a troper, immblueversion , who asked if it was okay to make a proper version of the EDENS ZERO page. They showed me a sandbox they were working on and it seems solid enough at first glance. I told them as long as it's a proper page with proper tropes, I didn't see any reason they couldn't make a page.

[down] I passed the OK along.

edited 23rd Jun '18 9:07:13 PM by sgamer82

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Bejeweled (she/her)
#6192: Jun 23rd 2018 at 9:03:46 PM

[up] Got a good description, at least three tropes with context...

I say it looks good. [tup]

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6193: Jun 23rd 2018 at 10:01:31 PM

The cut request for 'Fanfic.The Betrayed Of Issei Hyoudou was declined. Should I assume it was decided there's enough there for the page to not be a stub?

It does have a description and three tropes, to be fair, so I wonder now if the circumstances behind how it got made is coloring my view.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#6194: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:31:42 AM

Mawkish Mistake was launched. Its old name, Bait-and-Switch Sentiment wasn't great, but [[ https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=x3g8ojn74jlhiqivdepndzbk immediately before launch]] OP changed it to the entirely inscrutable current title.

I never heard the word "mawkish" before and based on the definitions I'm finding, it's not even really fitting for the trope anyway.

Clearly send back ASAP.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jun 28th 2018 at 10:31:43 AM

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6195: Jun 28th 2018 at 1:44:52 PM

^ if the trope is otherwise OK, we could just move it to Bait-and-Switch Sentiment

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#6196: Jun 29th 2018 at 5:10:18 PM

'Mawkish' essentially means something that, instead of being poignant or touching, is instead taken to excessive, melodramatic, sickeningly emotive extremes.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6197: Jun 29th 2018 at 8:31:57 PM

I think the main issue is that obviously there was no input on the name, and while TVT readers are generally intelligent, there's no certainty they'll all know the word. I also don't think that it captures the complexity of the trope's idea.

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#6198: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:16:06 AM

[up] I say it needs to be sent back due to the obscurity of "mawkish".
As Angry Chef has been launched, and much of the examples has been transplanted from Disgruntled Chef, what do we do with the latter and its draft? Should we also redirect Disgruntled Chef to Angry Chef as well?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6199: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:34:39 AM

[up][up] Before this thread I'd never seen the word mawkish. Honestly my first thought was a play of some kind of hawkish.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 30th 2018 at 6:35:00 AM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#6200: Jun 30th 2018 at 2:10:34 PM

Mawkish is a commonly used word in Britain, so it's not obscure as far as British English is concerned.

That said, I agree it's not appropriate to the trope as described and the name should therefore be changed.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

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