Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages
. Launches
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
Accents Aren't Hereditary is odd, it says it not for those with Immigrant Parents but there are examples there and I see several The Kids Are American examples
The name of Accents Aren't Hereditary violates No New Stock Phrases (I'm assuming The Kids Are American is old enough for the Grandfather Clause to apply).
edited 16th Jun '18 6:51:08 AM by GastonRabbit
I got a rock for Halloween.It is according to the last bullet point of No New Stock Phrases:
"It's in the form of a full sentence and sounds like a statement directed toward another person."
I got a rock for Halloween.The formation would be Non Hereditary Accents, but I still have my objections in that it really doesn't seem like a trope. It's saying "these people are related but don't sound the same" — that's not a trope, even if it was unusual for relatives to have different accents in real life (though it isn't) it's just commenting on it, which seems even too pointless to be trivia. It could be reformulated into a family member having a different accent being foreshadowing that they're not actually related, or if they're faking a different accent for a purpose, but at the moment it's not a trope.
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!I'd just like to revisit Fanfic.The Betrayed Of Issei Hyoudou, last mentioned here
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Quick version: It was started in completely the wrong place and with poor formatting. After seeing it mentioned in an ATT thread I moved it to a proper place and fixed the formatting.
I didn't do anything further (indexing, crosswicking) because I was going to leave it to the page's original creator ~Frog Goat 19. To that end I sent multiple PMs, mainly notifiers and a direct link to the post I made originally here, to the troper. Their only edits since have been on a whole other page on 6/5. My original post was 6/9.
With the lack of activity and response, I'm wondering if I should add it to the Cut List now or not, now that we're more than 10 days out from FrogGoat19's last edit and about a week from my original post.
edited 16th Jun '18 7:32:08 AM by sgamer82
It can, but the Administrivia page lists other examples, such as with the bullet point I copied and pasted earlier. That bullet point says it sounds like a statement directed toward someone else, not that a work contained it.
For example:
"Why don't those kids talk like their grandparents?" "Accents aren't hereditary."
Edit: For the record, I'm aware that this trope name isn't as extreme as others. A Winner Is You is an old stock phrase that has been used to list instances of works making shout-outs to the trope namer, when the trope is about underwhelming, single-screen endings, like the one that contains the trope-naming text.
edited 16th Jun '18 9:54:50 AM by GastonRabbit
I got a rock for Halloween.Spooky Kid Show has been launched again with no visible changes save the addition of empty folders that weren't in the last launch.
Yes, it was Madison Russeau 13 both times (June 13th and June 16th).
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!Sent it back one more time and suspended them.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Regarding Relative Unknown: My issue with the pun there is there isn't any indication that it is a pun from the title, I like puns as much as the next guy, but when there's no sign that there's a pun and the title is an existing (and completely different) phrase, that's just dangerous.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.... I'm rather surprised that the problem with Relative Unknown turned out to be even more serious than I had described, because several of the posts that agreed with me revealed issues that I hadn't thought of.
Also, I'm glad that other people managed to explain my position (or at least, specific points) better than I had done.
edited 18th Jun '18 5:18:48 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Main.The Sandman has an existing title, conflicting with a Comic Book, Literature, Pantheon, and Video Game.
There were plans to have it be just Main.Sandman, which is only used by Wrestling.Sandman.
The Most Wanted TLP
, has the same issue...
But Barsara-kun, the sponsor for both, says "there wasn't any problem [for The Sandman TLP
]", which is sorta true, in that the tropers who found the issue never responded?
A solution, if it's actually a problem, might just be to mention the other works at the end of the descriptions, which is what usually happens?
Or be like VideoGame.Operators Side, which starts with a disambig.
edited 19th Jun '18 10:34:36 AM by Malady
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Disambiguate the works by year, especially for The Sandman where they should already be disambiguated by year — there would be more of an issue if it were to conflict with the wrestling page, since that would have to be Sandman (Wrestling), rather than the more concise year disambiguation.
Most Wanted could get a better title, really.
edited 19th Jun '18 1:37:32 PM by lakingsif
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
- Aren't works only disambiguated by year if there's multiple of the same type? ... Lemme hunt the Ambiguity Index for examples...
Then again, there's not many instances where multiple works are named the same as tropes and aren't part of a Franchise or something.
Otherwise, having a work and a trope together is usually fine, except for a need to disambig, since only works can have YMMV, Characters, and stuff.
There's Main.The Order, but its only page that involves both works, is YMMV.The Order, which is split according to work...
Revival as well, which seems like a bad name, making me thing of RPG Revive effects.
edited 19th Jun '18 2:27:18 PM by Malady
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576No, works are disambiguated by year when they have the same name. Otherwise they would share subpages (See Film.Frozen 2010 and Disney.Frozen 2013, for example).
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
- I mean, disambig by year if works share the same namespace and name.
While disambig by namespace or something other than year, if they share names but not namespaces.
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Ruben SVGE looks like a self-fluff article. A new troper with a "cleverly disguised" name just made it: ~svgemanagement. As far as I can tell, it's a straight-up Auto-Erotic Troping violation. (I just commented out all the social media links.)
edited 20th Jun '18 12:02:37 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I think the issue with Relative Unknown is that it creates a pun by using an expression completely unrelated to the trope.