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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6151: Jun 15th 2018 at 11:38:44 AM

I think the issue with Relative Unknown is that it creates a pun by using an expression completely unrelated to the trope.

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jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012
#6153: Jun 16th 2018 at 6:41:31 AM

Accents Aren't Hereditary is odd, it says it not for those with Immigrant Parents but there are examples there and I see several The Kids Are American examples

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#6154: Jun 16th 2018 at 6:48:25 AM

[up]The name of Accents Aren't Hereditary violates No New Stock Phrases (I'm assuming The Kids Are American is old enough for the Grandfather Clause to apply).

edited 16th Jun '18 6:51:08 AM by GastonRabbit

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#6155: Jun 16th 2018 at 7:06:29 AM

Accents Aren't Hereditary doesnt sound sound like a stock phrase though

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#6156: Jun 16th 2018 at 7:10:18 AM

It is according to the last bullet point of No New Stock Phrases:

"It's in the form of a full sentence and sounds like a statement directed toward another person."

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6157: Jun 16th 2018 at 7:22:41 AM

The formation would be Non Hereditary Accents, but I still have my objections in that it really doesn't seem like a trope. It's saying "these people are related but don't sound the same" — that's not a trope, even if it was unusual for relatives to have different accents in real life (though it isn't) it's just commenting on it, which seems even too pointless to be trivia. It could be reformulated into a family member having a different accent being foreshadowing that they're not actually related, or if they're faking a different accent for a purpose, but at the moment it's not a trope.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6158: Jun 16th 2018 at 7:31:23 AM

I'd just like to revisit Fanfic.The Betrayed Of Issei Hyoudou, last mentioned here.

Quick version: It was started in completely the wrong place and with poor formatting. After seeing it mentioned in an ATT thread I moved it to a proper place and fixed the formatting.

I didn't do anything further (indexing, crosswicking) because I was going to leave it to the page's original creator ~Frog Goat 19. To that end I sent multiple PMs, mainly notifiers and a direct link to the post I made originally here, to the troper. Their only edits since have been on a whole other page on 6/5. My original post was 6/9.

With the lack of activity and response, I'm wondering if I should add it to the Cut List now or not, now that we're more than 10 days out from FrogGoat19's last edit and about a week from my original post.

edited 16th Jun '18 7:32:08 AM by sgamer82

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#6159: Jun 16th 2018 at 9:32:17 AM

[up][up][up] I may be demonstrating my ignorance here, but doesn't Stock Phrase imply that they're pulling it from character dialogue?

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#6160: Jun 16th 2018 at 9:34:55 AM

[up]It can, but the Administrivia page lists other examples, such as with the bullet point I copied and pasted earlier. That bullet point says it sounds like a statement directed toward someone else, not that a work contained it.

For example:

"Why don't those kids talk like their grandparents?" "Accents aren't hereditary."

Edit: For the record, I'm aware that this trope name isn't as extreme as others. A Winner Is You is an old stock phrase that has been used to list instances of works making shout-outs to the trope namer, when the trope is about underwhelming, single-screen endings, like the one that contains the trope-naming text.

edited 16th Jun '18 9:54:50 AM by GastonRabbit

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darkemyst Since: Mar, 2017
#6161: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:53:17 AM

Spooky Kid Show has been launched again with no visible changes save the addition of empty folders that weren't in the last launch.

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6162: Jun 16th 2018 at 3:20:44 PM

[up]Send it back again, if it gets a third rogue launch bring up the troper at ATT.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#6163: Jun 16th 2018 at 3:35:34 PM

Was it the same troper both times? If so I think that alone warrants ATT attention. Launched-unlaunched-relaunched isn't all that different from edit-delete-edit.

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6164: Jun 16th 2018 at 3:54:06 PM

Yes, it was Madison Russeau 13 both times (June 13th and June 16th).

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#6166: Jun 18th 2018 at 7:25:50 AM

Regarding Relative Unknown: My issue with the pun there is there isn't any indication that it is a pun from the title, I like puns as much as the next guy, but when there's no sign that there's a pun and the title is an existing (and completely different) phrase, that's just dangerous.

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#6167: Jun 18th 2018 at 5:17:59 PM

... I'm rather surprised that the problem with Relative Unknown turned out to be even more serious than I had described, because several of the posts that agreed with me revealed issues that I hadn't thought of.

Also, I'm glad that other people managed to explain my position (or at least, specific points) better than I had done.

So, shall FCR go back to TLP with the concerns attached?
I support this motion, with the caveat that someone with sufficient free time should keep an eye on it to ensure that the concerns are actually addressed. And the TLP sponsor/launcher should be PM'd, as well (in fact, this should be an automated function of unlaunching tropes with existing TLP drafts).

edited 18th Jun '18 5:18:48 PM by MarqFJA

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6168: Jun 19th 2018 at 7:00:11 AM

[up] I just want to give a thumbs up to all your points.

I’ll look into unlaunching the last few pages of remaining drafts when I get onto a computer.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#6169: Jun 19th 2018 at 10:31:03 AM

Main.The Sandman has an existing title, conflicting with a Comic Book, Literature, Pantheon, and Video Game.

There were plans to have it be just Main.Sandman, which is only used by Wrestling.Sandman.

The Most Wanted TLP, has the same issue...

But Barsara-kun, the sponsor for both, says "there wasn't any problem [for The Sandman TLP]", which is sorta true, in that the tropers who found the issue never responded?

A solution, if it's actually a problem, might just be to mention the other works at the end of the descriptions, which is what usually happens?

Or be like VideoGame.Operators Side, which starts with a disambig.

edited 19th Jun '18 10:34:36 AM by Malady

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6170: Jun 19th 2018 at 1:36:46 PM

Disambiguate the works by year, especially for The Sandman where they should already be disambiguated by year — there would be more of an issue if it were to conflict with the wrestling page, since that would have to be Sandman (Wrestling), rather than the more concise year disambiguation.

Most Wanted could get a better title, really.

edited 19th Jun '18 1:37:32 PM by lakingsif

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Malady (X-Troper)
#6171: Jun 19th 2018 at 2:17:43 PM

[up] - Aren't works only disambiguated by year if there's multiple of the same type? ... Lemme hunt the Ambiguity Index for examples...

Then again, there's not many instances where multiple works are named the same as tropes and aren't part of a Franchise or something.

Otherwise, having a work and a trope together is usually fine, except for a need to disambig, since only works can have YMMV, Characters, and stuff.


There's Main.The Order, but its only page that involves both works, is YMMV.The Order, which is split according to work...


Revival as well, which seems like a bad name, making me thing of RPG Revive effects.

edited 19th Jun '18 2:27:18 PM by Malady

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6172: Jun 19th 2018 at 2:38:14 PM

No, works are disambiguated by year when they have the same name. Otherwise they would share subpages (See Film.Frozen 2010 and Disney.Frozen 2013, for example).

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Malady (X-Troper)
#6173: Jun 19th 2018 at 2:56:16 PM

[up] - I mean, disambig by year if works share the same namespace and name.

While disambig by namespace or something other than year, if they share names but not namespaces.

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#6174: Jun 19th 2018 at 3:06:49 PM

you mean like Comic/Name (Comic) and Series/Name (Series)? No, year is preferred except in situations where it can't be used.

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#6175: Jun 20th 2018 at 12:00:10 PM

Ruben SVGE looks like a self-fluff article. A new troper with a "cleverly disguised" name just made it: ~svgemanagement. As far as I can tell, it's a straight-up Auto-Erotic Troping violation. (I just commented out all the social media links.)

edited 20th Jun '18 12:02:37 PM by Fighteer

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