TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

What about Impossible Smile Of Doom? It's not a stub, but I thought we were going to cut it, too.

^ If there was a consensus, go ahead and cut it then.

New list of stubs:

• LongStory: No trope list.
• Yoshis Egg: No trope list.
• Starship 1: Only 1 entry with enough context.
• Crazy Machines: No trope list.
• Ete RNA: Only 1 trope listed.
• Pursuit: Nothing but zero context examples.
• Gotcha: Nothing but zero context examples.

edited 23rd Jul '16 2:18:51 PM by Morgenthaler

From some of the ones you posted about Morgenthaler, I'd say

• Cutlist Witches Chillers

• The Vault Of Heaven, The Order Of Odd Fish, The Chronicles of Ashinar Needs Wiki Magic Love

• Sandbox Bask Up and cutlist the page

edited 24th Jul '16 4:46:06 AM by lakingsif

New list of stubs:

• Shaun White Skateboarding: Nothing but zero context examples.
• Future Fragments: No trope list, no description.
• Just Tactics: No trope list.
• Quadrapong: No trope list.
• Rebound: Nothing but zero context examples.
• Microsoft Space Simulator: No trope list.
• Scrumble Ship: Nothing but zero context examples.
• Crash 'N Score: Nothing but zero context examples.
• Clock Zero: No trope list.
• Salem: No trope list, no description.
• Overworld: Only 2 examples.
• Groove Heaven: Only 1 example, zero context.

Analysis.Family Tropes seems to a misplaced

Creator messaged, page cutlisted.

Has anyone else noticed that... there are a lot more yk's being launched on the regular since the new site design launched. It's odd, and not all of them are good.

One thing I'm not sure is an improvement to the new format is that it's no longer possible to add tags to certain YKTTWs such as Needs Better Name and Motion To Discard. What *is* an improvement is that it's simply impossible to launch with less than 5 hats and three days of discussion, which minimalizes the amount of bad launches quite a bit. Which new tropes do you think have issues, however?

They don't all have technical issues, per se, but because of the new restrictions, many people are either launching their own tropes, or launching other tropes they come across, without proper discussion. Thus, they could be improved whilst all the site-quality tropes are still in yk being worked on (if you look now, there's drafts with 10+ hats because, sure they're good, but they can be better). Just looking through some with sketchy launch dates, tropers, and names, you think "this could go back, this could be improved". And the biggest problem with a lot is the names. I think without the tags, there's little discussion of names. I'd also argue that the new color-scheme and layout doesn't aid understand to what everything is, so people are just preferring to get out of there.

edited 5th Aug '16 2:24:15 AM by lakingsif

I actually agree. Things get launched much quicker, and honestly at lower quality.

I think the problem is that it's soooooo much easier to add hats.

Right now, there are only two automated means of feedback: Saying Discard and saying Add Hat. "Discard" sounds very extreme, "Add Hat" doesn't. So people just throw on hats even when they don't think it's ready to be published and are less likely to remove them since they don't want to discard the whole draft.

On a personal level, I just don't like it as much anymore so I stay out.

edited 5th Aug '16 7:45:14 AM by Larkmarn

^^ Without concrete examples to support your argument it still sounds like you're making a largely subjective evaluation about what constitutes "Site-quality tropes" or "they could be improved". Really the only objective way we can measure this ATM is through a specific number of hats—if you can get at least 5 people to agree that the trope is ready to launch, you're good to go. Larkmarn does raise a point of concern about problems surrounding the hat system, which I agree with. This would probably be a Wiki Talk discussion, but perhaps we should raise the number of hats that are required for launch?

^ That's one of the reasons why I doubt removing the tag system was a good innovation, which it seems at least the three of us so far are in unison on. It's now only possible to point out more detailed issues in discussion, which is much less likely to be noticed by anyone.

edited 6th Aug '16 6:43:12 AM by Morgenthaler

Way To Dodge The Bullet Man goes back a few years, but there doesn't appear to be a YKTTW, there are only three examples, no wicks, and it's unindexed.

Since that trope seems to be a worse-described and less-used version of Serendipitous Survival and Missed Him by That Much, I say kill it.

It's also a Stock Phrase. Nuke it.

Not to mention it's confusing since we have a 100% unrelated trope in Dodge the Bullet.

One of those "really old, but definitely stubby:" Roleplay.Pandora. The Characters page has a handful of entries with examples, but basically no examples on the main page. There's one ZCE and one... that I'd call half-context.

The page has been unedited in two years.

And as a result it, we've got this odd disambig: Main.Pandora

If it's got a good characters page then I'd suggest sticking it on Needs Wiki Magic Love and hoping it gets some

"Good" is strong. It has... a few hundred entries, maybe six of which actually have examples.

Anyway you cut it it's really poor form.

edited 16th Aug '16 8:18:32 AM by Larkmarn

Okay, I've looked at those pages. Scrap that characters page. Seriously. Wow, that hurt to read through (of course, if there is anything useful for those 10 characters with an actual entry, you could put it on their own character pages). Scrap the Main. disambig, but make sure that Main.Pandoras Box is a redirect to Sealed Evil in a Can first. I think that, alright, the Roleplay.Pandora page can stay. However, as a trope-less work summary. The two "examples" it has can easily be incorporated into the description, and I think at least the second part is worthy of a mention in there somewhere.

EDIT: so Pandora's Box is a redirect for Public Domain Artifact, but that links to SEIAC

edited 16th Aug '16 3:27:38 PM by lakingsif

BMX Bandits has several tropes listed, but most of them are zero context.

From Ask The Tropers (here, specifically):

Creator.The Black Duelist. After removing everything on the page that was dependent on referencing non-existent works, we're left with a one-line description and links to two work pages. It's not even indexed. Given the apparent handle of the author is banned (though likely posting through a sockpuppet), is there a point to this incredibly stubby Creator/ page? We could have just as much information by simply linking the two fanfic pages to each other.

edited 19th Aug '16 1:33:52 PM by Larkmarn

I say nuke it. We could link the two fics to each other if they aren't already, preferably in the intro.

Alright, I'm going to go ahead with the cleanup.

Aktuelle Kamera lacks a trope list.

Crystal Kay, Rie fu, and UVER World are all music page stubs.