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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

HomerSimpson Since: Dec, 2014
#2751: Jan 1st 2015 at 10:31:47 AM

I will add more content to Happy Tree Friends once its released

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2752: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:45:57 AM

Yeah, it's a very bad idea to write up a page that early in the process.

Today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rotpar Always 3:00 am in the Filth (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Always 3:00 am in the Filth
#2753: Jan 2nd 2015 at 7:57:34 AM

I think Album Single is a simple fix: Needs Wiki Magic. It has thirteen wicks already so there's a bunch of examples that can go on the page in just a few minutes. I also think that it is a valid trope; the idea that a given song stands out enough to be be released on its own, often becoming what the album/band is known for.

I guess the big question is: do we want a page that will list every single ever made? Where the examples will probably look like this:

And hopefully could look more like:

Personally, I'm cool for adding examples to the page. I like keeping everything cross-wicked and having pages full of information—I don't believe in having no-example pages unless there's a dire need.

That said, If we don't want a page that will lend itself toward Zero Context Examples, then I understand. This is near an Omnipresent Trope for modern music. If nothing else, Album Single should be wicked on work pages.

edited 2nd Jan '15 7:58:12 AM by Rotpar

But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you.
SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#2754: Jan 2nd 2015 at 10:09:08 AM

I mentioned in ATT that I don't think Album Single needs examples on the page; it could have billions. But wicking it from work pages, yes.

edited 2nd Jan '15 10:09:40 AM by SolipSchism

Scoutstr295 Since: Feb, 2012
#2755: Jan 2nd 2015 at 12:56:08 PM

@Septimus Heap: I welcome other posters to add to the Jimmy Savile page and put more information besides the controversy in there, but with not many Savile clips available anymore without commentary on the controversy, I don't have much to go on.

edited 2nd Jan '15 12:56:56 PM by Scoutstr295

Pyrarson Everybody's dead, Dave. from NaN Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Everybody's dead, Dave.
#2756: Jan 2nd 2015 at 3:37:09 PM

Woah wait. Hold on, I didn't create the Crowd Pleaser page, I added an example to it. The page was already there, I found it in Recently New.

H.B. Ward
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2757: Jan 2nd 2015 at 3:57:34 PM

Ah, yeah. I didn't look back enough. Calling the actual creator, ~Olaf Merchant, in.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Pyrarson Everybody's dead, Dave. from NaN Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Everybody's dead, Dave.
#2758: Jan 2nd 2015 at 10:20:54 PM

Yeah, also, I'd like to point out that while my pages are often stubs, none of them have ever been official tropes.

H.B. Ward
OlafMerchant Rogue Construct from Finland Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Rogue Construct
#2759: Jan 3rd 2015 at 2:27:01 AM

Yeah, sorry- late-night posting got the better of me. Was searching for the trope, found the trope page, but found it empty. Usually run things YTTKW ways, but guess the late night run impaired my judgement somewhat. Apologies.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2760: Jan 3rd 2015 at 2:46:31 AM

Well, if reverse crosswicking can fix Album Single, then it can surely work.

Otherwise, worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2761: Jan 4th 2015 at 2:28:12 AM

Today's worklist has only Soap Net, a creator page that is largely plagiarized from Wikipedia. By a ~lukesams.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rotpar Always 3:00 am in the Filth (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Always 3:00 am in the Filth
#2762: Jan 4th 2015 at 1:04:05 PM

I'll start cross-wicking Album Single later today then. Wikipedia for a few famous bands will also produce some new examples.

Edit:

Tossing some stuff on the Sandbox, if you want to take a look at some write-up. It's stuff I'm more familiar with, the existing wicks are strange to me and a bit more vaguely-written.

edited 4th Jan '15 2:25:06 PM by Rotpar

But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2763: Jan 5th 2015 at 1:12:01 AM

Today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2764: Jan 7th 2015 at 3:02:39 AM

Today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2765: Jan 8th 2015 at 5:23:27 AM

Today's worklist:

Jimmy Savile and Crowd Pleaser still need opinions.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Patachou Since: Jan, 2011
#2766: Jan 8th 2015 at 5:35:54 AM

The Pink Floyd Franchise page: Other musicians with large and versatile catalogues in different media have franchise pages too: The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan,... As long as there are enough articles from different media I assume a franchise page would come in handy to keep an overview. I mean, isn't that what the franchise page was created for?

edited 8th Jan '15 5:36:21 AM by Patachou

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#2767: Jan 8th 2015 at 6:02:05 AM

Every last one of those is a misuse. As a namespace, Franchise is only for works that cover three or more different forms of media and have pages for them elsewhere on the wiki. Not even the Beatles page qualifies.

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Patachou Since: Jan, 2011
#2768: Jan 8th 2015 at 6:41:16 AM

Then why do we have pages pages for the franchises of Alien, Carry On, Rocky, Scream? ... All their pages only list one medium: films. There probably exist other media forms for them, but not on this site for the moment. Or perhaps they haven't been added yet?

And if we follow the at least three different media rule:

edited 8th Jan '15 6:57:50 AM by Patachou

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#2769: Jan 8th 2015 at 6:49:18 AM

TWD (show, comics, games, and novels) and W&G (movies, game, show) both actually qualify for the Franchise namespace. The rest? Not so much.

Also, "they're doing it wrong, so it's okay if I do it wrong as well" is a pretty crappy argument. Wrong is wrong, even if others are doing it.

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#2770: Jan 8th 2015 at 7:10:31 AM

Every work starts out in one medium. If it is popular or elastic enough, it moves into other mediums. And sometimes even the most avid fans don't realize it, particularly if they don't frequent the information outlets of the media in question and there isn't a huge mass-marketing campaign. This is particularly likely if a work doesn't initially have a large internet presence in one or more of its forms, but another form makes it big.

Regardless of that, TV Tropes says three media minimum for a Franchise page. Just because people ignore that policy and others does not mean that they got a pass on the rules. It just means they weren't caught yet.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#2771: Jan 8th 2015 at 9:34:47 AM

[up](x6)

I was trying to make a Sandbox Character Page. It didn't work.

I'm far from finished; I wanted to create a Sandbox page and practice with the Character page. I didn't think the subpage would be an issue. I can delete it if necessary. I don't know if I'll be able to sit down and make a decent Main page for it by the end of the day.

edited 8th Jan '15 9:50:23 AM by FOFD

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#2772: Jan 8th 2015 at 10:25:44 AM

Franchise.The Walking Dead can stay, we need to add VideoGame.The Walking Dead and VideoGame.The Walking Dead Survival Instinct to it.

I found Webcomic.Alien Loves Predator, I assume fan works do not count for franchise pages, though.

Alien has at least the two videogames mentioned on the Franchise page, and the literature mentioned on its page. Nobody has bothered making a page for the literature or comic books. I consider the Literature.Alien page to be cutworthy. It's not going to be called Alien unless it's the novelization of the first film, it's going to be titled Alien or Aliens:Some other title. Like Alien:Isolation and Aliens:Infestation (which isn't mentioned on the franchise page, for some reason.)

edited 8th Jan '15 10:37:43 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#2773: Jan 8th 2015 at 11:00:33 AM

The Franchise/TWD page already has the video games listed. The page is organized by which continuity the relevant works apply to, as the comics and show don't share the same universe (though comic storylines are adapted to the show).

All your safe space are belong to Trump
SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#2774: Jan 8th 2015 at 12:14:33 PM

[up][up]The Literature.Alien page in particular is also one of those thrice-cursed "the work isn't out yet and/or I can't be bothered to write up a proper page but let's have a page for it anyway so that no other similarly named work snags the page" critters. Burn it alive, I say.

RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
God-Mayor of Sim-Kind
#2775: Jan 9th 2015 at 2:37:39 AM

Just want to say before anyone goes apeshit over World of Tanks, that we need the blue-linked page to work as an index. And as for the contents of the sub-pages, it's under construction.

edited 9th Jan '15 2:38:10 AM by RabidTanker

Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break

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