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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 2nd 2012 at 12:12:39 PM

Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Dec 2nd 2012 at 4:02:41 PM

That means tropes that didn't go through YKTTW but also works that are created without enough description or examples.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 3rd 2012 at 4:11:56 AM

Off The Reservation is the first thing that IMO could need an unlaunching.

ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Dec 3rd 2012 at 2:19:05 PM

Uh, yeah.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:16:39 PM

Definitely agree.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Dec 3rd 2012 at 5:43:30 PM

The Lammio was what spurred the other threads creation.

Also, agree on Off The Reservation.

edited 3rd Dec '12 5:43:46 PM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.
videogmer314 from that one place Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:52:05 PM

Off The Reservation reads like the first draft of a YKTTW. I support unlaunching it.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
Dec 3rd 2012 at 6:54:56 PM

I don't know if Reservation would really qualify for even "first draft" status. +1 for unlaunching and sending back to YKTTW.

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
Dec 3rd 2012 at 9:00:12 PM

[up] and [up][up] Agreed.

Just a thought: Should we have a running crowner like the one used in the Real Life Maintenance thread?

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 3rd 2012 at 11:22:19 PM

A crowner for sending things back to YKTTW? Personally, I prefer to vote with posting - less risk of unexplained votes.

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Dec 4th 2012 at 12:41:35 AM

The Lammio definitely needs to go back, and should not be allowed near the main wiki until it has A) a decent name, and B) more than one fictional fictional example!

Also agree on Off The Reservation. That one would probably have gotten fixed, no questions asked, at Ask The Tropers. We might want to keep this thread for borderline examples where there might be some debate.

edited 4th Dec '12 12:42:48 AM by Xtifr

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Nocturna Seeking for Light
Seeking for Light
shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Dec 4th 2012 at 2:40:24 PM

[up][up] Compete agreement.

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
Dec 4th 2012 at 5:10:41 PM

+1 to unlaunch The Lammio.

edited 4th Dec '12 5:11:05 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
videogmer314 from that one place Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dec 4th 2012 at 5:26:22 PM

So how does unlaunching actually work?

Oreochan from Pennsylvania
Dec 4th 2012 at 5:54:08 PM

[up] I'm guessing that the trope goes to YKTTW again (or takes a run through there if hasn't already and once it's run through YKTTW has been completed and it's been launched it will replace what was originally on the article. If the trope gets a rename during the YKTTW process, the previous article for the trope will either get cut (if it has no inbounds and is misleading or a bad title) or redirected to the new and improved one.

edited 4th Dec '12 5:55:31 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Dec 4th 2012 at 7:14:28 PM

The link turns red upon unlaunching, so I think the article gets cut. There may even be a special mod-only or Eddie-only unlaunch tool for those that had a YKTTW.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Dec 4th 2012 at 8:26:29 PM

My understanding is that there's an unlaunching tool that Eddie uses, but it requires there to be a YKTTW. The Lammio doesn't have a YKTTW (that I can see), so it'll have to be cut.

Fight smart, not fair.
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
Dec 4th 2012 at 9:15:53 PM

Wasn't aware that such a tool existed. My point stands, however. It needs serious work before it can be launched.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Telcontar In uffish thought from England
In uffish thought
Dec 5th 2012 at 2:10:19 AM

If there was a YKTTW draft that was launched to create the page, Eddie has an unlauncher although it's technically possible to do it yourself. I don't think the page is cut with that, but we could cutlist it if deemed necessary. If there was no draft, we copy the current page and make a draft of it.

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SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 5th 2012 at 3:50:00 AM

The Unlauncher to my understanding removes the YKTTW from the launch list and puts it back into the main YKTTW list.

Oreochan from Pennsylvania
Dec 6th 2012 at 12:51:16 PM

[up]I also believe that's how the unlauncher works. Since The Lammio has been cut has been and it apparently has no YKTTW, should we try to brainstorm a name before we send it to the YKTTW?

Anyways, if this also covers works... what should we do about Gingitsune? It's been languishing as a tropeless stub since March of this year. It also has no wicks besides indices (and has been on Needs Wiki Magic Love almost as soon as it was namespaced two months after it was created.) I looked at the main redirect's history and since anoni seemed to be the one who made the page, I pm'ed them about it even though I knew it was pretty much moot because they haven't been active since March.

But that's not the end to this page's problems; it's description was plagiarised from Baka Updates. It's not available in English anywhere (as far I know) and hasn't been officially licensed in English either, so I'm not familiar with it at all. I would have advocated it to be cut if it didn't somehow gain 526 inbounds. I'm really don't think running it through YKTTW will save it.

edited 6th Dec '12 2:09:47 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 6th 2012 at 1:00:44 PM

I think the only thing to do there is to run it through YKTTW for trope examples and then add them to the current page.

lu127 Paper Master from 空蝉丸
Dec 6th 2012 at 1:06:31 PM

No English translation? Cut it. It's unlikely to ever flourish unless some scan group picks it up.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Dec 6th 2012 at 1:09:40 PM

With so many inbounds, that's kinda of a hard proposition.


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