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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#18751: Feb 20th 2022 at 5:37:33 PM

There are a couple of examples in Animated Shock Comedy that aren't actually animation. One is Conker's Bad Fur Day, which is a video game. Another is Avenue Q, a stage musical with puppets like the ones on Sesame Street. And the trope was also listed on the work page for Meet the Feebles.

So do we count those, despite not being animated?

I talked to El Squibbonator about Meet the Feebles, and they said that since puppets are seen as childish, the basic concept is the same—to subvert expectations by using something people see as childish in order to be subversive and add adult stuff like sex, swearing, etc.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#18752: Feb 20th 2022 at 5:52:16 PM

[up][up] That edit is dated January of 2021, so over a year ago. The troper certainly has not participated in any forum threads related to Trope descriptions either. Not sure if we need a trope talk on this or not to determine.

I don't see any discussion on the Trope Description Improvement Drive thread around that date either.

Edited by laserviking42 on Feb 20th 2022 at 8:54:48 AM

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#18753: Feb 20th 2022 at 6:19:58 PM

[up][up] I agree with you and the whole misuse thing seems to oparate on the Animation Age Ghetto.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#18754: Feb 20th 2022 at 6:20:48 PM

We have loosely discussed Cross-Cast Role in the context of trans actors. Personally I don't think it counts because they were not cast with the intention of them not being the same gender as their role, but it would count if they are kept in the role after transitioning. Maybe worth a Trope Talk thread for more consensus?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#18755: Feb 20th 2022 at 6:23:46 PM

[up][up] As the guy who made those edits in the first place, I want to ask, how so? I never said that I thought either puppets or animation were juvenile— only that, because they are widely assumed to be so, they are often given similar "subversive" treatments.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#18756: Feb 20th 2022 at 6:47:05 PM

Ok, that was rude of me, but the whole "This trope SORTA applies" is extremely non-kosher to me.

EDIT: Also the trope says animated, not kids show.

Edited by AegisP on Feb 20th 2022 at 6:47:44 AM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#18757: Feb 20th 2022 at 6:47:37 PM

On the topic of "the many Relationship Voice Actors in Japanese Voice Acting", is it a Only So Many Canadian Actors, but Seiyu, situation?

Edited by Malady on Feb 20th 2022 at 6:48:05 AM

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redandready45 Since: Mar, 2014
#18758: Feb 20th 2022 at 7:14:35 PM

On the Bolt page, I want to include an In-Universe example of Seasonal Rot.

Mindy, the studio executive, says the show's basic formula of "Bolt the Superdog" is beginning to run its course, with declining ratings and people getting tired of the same "Bolt saves Penny" plotline. The director's attempt at spicing up the story triggers the plot.

So would this count as an In-Universe example of Seasonal Rot?

Edited by redandready45 on Feb 20th 2022 at 7:14:52 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#18759: Feb 20th 2022 at 7:35:18 PM

That sounds valid, if the reception is indeed decreasing. Is there a more specific trope for people getting sick of Strictly Formula setups after a while?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#18760: Feb 20th 2022 at 8:50:46 PM

In One Piece, the Arlong Pirates was one of the founding crews of the Sun Pirates, but broke away to become their own crew once again after Jimbei became a Warlord and Fisher Tiger was killed. Does this count as The Remnant?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#18761: Feb 20th 2022 at 9:23:00 PM

[up] Not familiar with the work and can't quite parse that sentence, but if there was an army/faction, and it was defeated, any leftover forces still fighting after said defeat would be The Remnant.

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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#18762: Feb 20th 2022 at 11:11:20 PM

The Kirby entries on Woolseyism.Video Games list every translations' versions of the level-acronyms, no matter how similar they are to the original. Should I remove the ones that basically mean the same thing?

Edited by NitroIndigo on Feb 20th 2022 at 7:11:38 PM

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#18763: Feb 20th 2022 at 11:25:03 PM

[up][up][up] Arlong Pirates are a splinter group from Sun Pirates, who were still active after Jinbei took over, so I don't think that works.

[up] I don't really see the problem, if these are acronyms then naturally they wouldn't work well in other languages and needed to be changed to something else.

Edited by Amonimus on Feb 20th 2022 at 10:26:01 PM

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NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#18764: Feb 20th 2022 at 11:52:51 PM

I mean like:

In Kirby's Return to Dream Land, the levels spell the word "CROWNED". The Latin American Spanish level names spell "CORONAR" ("crowned"), the French level names spell "PARFAIT" ("perfect"), and the German level names spell "KROENEN" ("crown", with the O-umlaut substituted for "oe").

The only one that feels like it counts is French.

Noaqiyeum we must dissent (it/they) from across the gulf of space (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
we must dissent (it/they)
#18765: Feb 21st 2022 at 1:06:51 AM

I think all four are examples, but it would be difficult to illustrate why without listing every single level whose name had to be chosen to spell out the new acronym.

ERROR: The current state of the world is unacceptable. Save anyway? YES/NO
gc10 Human Bean from Pastastastan Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Human Bean
#18766: Feb 21st 2022 at 7:32:48 AM

Regarding Cross-Cast Role, I'd personally vote to exclude retroactive examples from the definition, but I I opened a discussion in ATT.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18767: Feb 21st 2022 at 8:56:39 AM

Does Fake Nationality cover constructed worlds, or is there a more appropriate 'fake accent' trope? In Arcane, born-and-bred Englishman Harry Lloyd noted that he put on a Czech accent for his character, but of course the setting doesn't have a "Czech Republic". I'm also reminded of Angelina Jolie putting on a British accent to play a Human Alien in Eternals, even though (a) they're aliens (b) everyone else kept their native accents.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 21st 2022 at 11:17:17 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#18768: Feb 21st 2022 at 9:09:51 AM

[up] It's classed as a trivia trope, which is for behind the scenes stuff as well as other non-narrative info. In that case I would say no, made up countries would not count.

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Merseyuser1 Since: Sep, 2011
#18769: Feb 21st 2022 at 9:32:29 AM

Does this from the main description of Filler before the examples list, count or is it better on another trope's page?:

In the context of ongoing anime series adapted from ongoing manga, because where the main purpose of the anime is often to follow the manga storyline (unless the source material ended and there are no plans to continue further - with everything being anime-only), any story that's created to fill time because the series Overtook the Manga literally cannot have any significance. Ultimately the anime is going to Snap Back into following the manga, so the filler arcs — even if they're enjoyable in their own right — cannot contribute anything of substance to the story.

In most cases, the defining aspect of filler is the lack of series momentum.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 21st 2022 at 5:32:38 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18770: Feb 21st 2022 at 9:54:55 AM

I don't get it. Padding anime out with ultimately inconsequential stories (resulting in a lack of momentum) because they were running out of source material is filler.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#18771: Feb 21st 2022 at 10:23:32 AM

So remember how I said I would try to Justice League example for Fan-Preferred Cut Content. Well, here is my attempt:

  • Justice League (2017) went through many extensive reshoots, modifications and cuts as a result of original director Zack Snyder departing in favor of Joss Whedon, namely the reduction of Cyborg's character arc, removal of characters like Darkseid and Ryan Choi, and several scenes which gave more depth to the villain Steppenwolf. The finished product was not well received by fans or critics. This and fans showing interest in the cut content revealed by Snyder would cause Warner Bros. to let Snyder re-edit the film with much of the cut content to be closer to his original vision with much of the cut content, resulting in Zack Snyder's Justice League, which most consider to be a far better film than the theatrical version, with the Cyborg scenes, in particular, being something a lot of fans feel should have been kept in the theatrical cut.

Thoughts?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#18772: Feb 21st 2022 at 3:02:59 PM

[up] Seems fine to me.

Would this fit Astonishingly Appropriate Interruption? A character is about to finish a sentence with "Ruby", but midway through the word, another character interrupts with a sentence starting with "be". It's part of a musical song, if that matters.

"I hate to be the newbie, if only I could find Ru—"
"Be calm(?) young man, you got nothing to lose, [...]"

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#18773: Feb 21st 2022 at 5:48:22 PM

[up] From what I can tell it belongs.

Side note, Astonishingly Appropriate Interruption is riddled with ZCEs, make sure your entry isn't just the name of the show and a quote.

Edited by laserviking42 on Feb 21st 2022 at 8:48:44 AM

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#18774: Feb 21st 2022 at 6:17:17 PM

I found this under Characters.One Piece World Government, under the World Nobles folder:

Almost is the key word here. If it's almost than it isn't this trope at all. One Piece actually subverts this trope with Doflamingo's family. His father wanted to renounce the title and live among the commoners, even though he and his family ended up paying the price for basically existing. They didn't even do any bad stuff while they were nobles IIRC.

So, with a rewrite, should I put this under Not Always Evil instead?

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#18775: Feb 21st 2022 at 6:43:15 PM

Definite rewrite or cut, but I'm not sure if Not Always Evil is the best trope if it and Always Chaotic Evil are mostly about races and henchmen. I'd personally modify Aristocrats Are Evil to something along the lines of "All of them with the exception of White Sheep ..., who ..."

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