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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jul 17th 2025 at 8:59:01 PM
If Maidens don't have any special destinies they're meant for, then that sounds like misuse. Could it fit Power Parasite or Powers as Programs instead?
I repost this to bump it. I found this in YMMV page of Nightmare Alley (2021) .Since some example are mistaken as The Woobie, do you think this tearjerker examples needs go to Moments" cleanup and maintenance?
- Tear Jerker:
- As horrible as Stan is, it's actually quite sad to see him become a homeless, alcoholic wreck at the end of the movie, who is so desperate for work that he agrees to be a geek, established as the lowest of the low amongst carnival workers.
- The power of a "spook show" over its audience is emphasized, with mentalists able to tap into the deep loss so many people feel; this makes the Kimballs' murder-suicide especially horrific, as Stan took their love and bereavement and twisted it into something destructive.
- Molly, easily the kindest and most innocent character, is manipulated constantly by Stan and ends the movie on the run, her fate unknown.
@JHD, regarding the Phineas and Ferb A Bloody Mess example: it is definitely meant to be a Bait-and-Switch for the audience, albeit a dark one for the demographic, but I don't know if the audience mistaking things for blood counts for the trope.
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Well, I've seen the episode and it is a deliberate Bait-and-Switch which makes you think Buford straight up maimed Baljeet for a second (the jelly that splashes is meant to look like blood splatter) before cutting to the jelly donuts. I know that sounds wild but it's true.
Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 6th 2022 at 1:27:35 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Is this example from Series.Holby City trope misuse, or correctly used, and written OK?:
- Status Quo Is God: Zig-zagged. Although there are many permanent changes per season, characters' love lives rarely last, and the Girl of the Week or Boy of the Week usually is gone by the end of the story arc or season; also, some characters do not learn the moral of the story.
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Me neither. I've watched numerous Phineas and Ferb episodes, but not that one.
Edited by JHD on Feb 6th 2022 at 9:25:08 AM
Yes. Cinder's already listed as a Power Parasite example... although not crosswicked, so I've just crosswicked her.
Looking at Powers as Programs, it's possible true magic (especially the Maidens) might qualify. They are transferred at death based on the final thoughts of the dying Maiden. The Maidens were created in the first place by the Big Good (who is the actual Chosen One) deciding to give up most of his magic by voluntarily transferring them to four sisters who helped him at time he needed help to turn his life around (that didn't kill him, but Equivalent Exchange is in effect, so the magic he gave away was a de-powering for him). Ever since he transferred the magic to those sisters, the magic has been transferring to new young women upon the death of the previous Maidens in a way that copies the Big Good's reincarnation cycle (he has Resurrective Immortality, where his soul and powers transfer to a new young man upon the death of his previous host body).
Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 6th 2022 at 6:46:20 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Guys, can you check my above post ASAP? Thanks.
Edited by Bubblepig on Feb 6th 2022 at 10:14:52 AM
"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"
You could go to Moments cleanup to ask that, but a character can be The Woobie and what happens to them can be a Tear Jerker.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak: Adaptation Expansion: The series explores the aftermath of the events of Stardust Crusaders extensively...
I'm pretty sure Adaptation Expansion is not about what happens after the original work.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupDoes this example from WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.Live Action TV fit, or is it trope misuse:
- Chloe, a 2022 Mini Series from The BBC has the protagonist Becky who has No Social Skills, an Ambiguous Disorder looking after a mom with dementia in Bristol( a British equivalent to Rust Belt American cities), and she's got a Stalker Without a Crush obsession about the titular Chloe, who is a Posthumous Character (apart from in flashbacks) which is the Driving Question. Becky's main sympathetic qualities are her poor home and work life, and lack of friends, aside from Chloe in her past in high school, although it's an Ambiguous Situation if they were friends or more Friendly Enemies. She social-media-stalks people and uses fake identities to get things done, but although she's villainous, she seems more misguided than truly evil, at least from the first episode aired.
Would this be Serendipity Writes the Plot?
- VS Whitty: The secret song "Faucet" was inspired by someone leaking Julian's design to 4chan months before the Definitive Edition released.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Feb 6th 2022 at 6:26:06 AM
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢This seems really vague? But I can sorta see how it might count? Trying to clean But Thou Must!, but I guess it's used right enough in most of the other cases I've seen.
- But Thou Must!: Comes with being in a world war; characters have rational outlooks but they're still stuck in a massive conflict and have to make choices based on that reality. They still take reasonable precautions and similar but those strategies don't always work. They're still people and make objectively irrational decisions that make sense to them.
Edited by Malady on Feb 6th 2022 at 7:06:23 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Yeah, that sounds like a total shoehorn. "Video game railroads the plot" and "characters can only make so many decisions in a world war" aren't anything alike.
(I guess it could maybe fit as Justified Trope if it's a fanfic for a video game, but TBH I'm not sure of that.)
On Dead Horse Trope, is this example OK:
- Floating Advice Reminder: The traditional version of "partially transparent heads appearing to give advice" is virtually never played straight, and if it is used, only in parody. Nowadays, it's much more likely to be shown as a hologram in a Sci-Fi setting, and it won't be like the traditional usage of the trope.
Reposting from the previous page
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Is the following example from Decomposite Character being misused seeing as how the works is not an adaptation, but a Sequel Series:
- The Legend of Korra while it mostly has Composite Characters of the original Avatar cast, does have a Decomposite Character when it comes to Katara who’s character and archetype is split into Korra and Asami. Korra the eponymous heroine has the similar appearance, name, tribe and Making a Splash powers as well as Healing Hands to Katara, while Asami has Katara’s gentler qualities such as being Cool Big Sis and Team Mom in addition to being the Love Interest.
And are the following examples from And Just Like That... and it's YMMV page being used correctly?:
- Alternate Universe: Played with. The series takes place in a version of the present where the COVID-19 pandemic is apparently over (its existence is briefly acknowledged in the first episode), with face masks and social distancing non-existent.
- Hollywood Old: Played With. While the actors are roughly the same age as their characters, fans have complained that several characters come across as exaggeratedly old and feeble for being in their mid-50s. Major offenders are Steve, who needs hearing aidsnote ; Big, who has heart trouble; and Carrie, who believes she's suffering from arthritis until her doctor specifically says she doesn't have an old-person disease.
- Uncanny Valley: An editorial in The Atlantic
argued that the series has a stranger relationship with reality than most TV series, almost taking place in a slightly different Alternate Universe:
"It’s a little like a face that has had just a tad too much work done: You can’t stop looking at it, but largely to figure out what, exactly, has happened here to make it feel so unnatural. The attempts to “put a finger” on what’s going on with And Just Like That… have occupied the zeitgeist. The commentary has mainly focused on the series’s strange relationship to reality across the board, from the pandemic to 'wokeness' to aging to what to do when one finds a loved one experiencing cardiac arrest."
I don't feel like Hollywood Old counts, because those are all things that can happen to "younger" people. Hell, the "hearing loss" example even notes that the actor who is in his mid-fifties is hard of hearing.
The Uncanny Valley example is almost entirely based on a single review, and I'm not sure Uncanny Valley can be applies to settings or plots, so I'd say it doesn't count either
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAFrom The White Vault.
- For the Evulz: Graham eventually comes to the conclusion that the monster isn't torturing and killing them for food—it just likes this.
- In Season 4 and 5, "Mor" reveals that the Guardians are not toying with the people who come to their Vaults for fun.
This is kind of a weird one because one character theorizes in an earlier season that the show's recurring monsters are acting For the Evulz, but then a few seasons later a character who knows more about the situation says that they are not. I know that it needs to be fixed indentation/commentary-wise, but I'm not sure whether that cancels it out as an example or if the example should be something like "Graham theorizes that the monster... but in season 5 Mor reveals..."
Edited by Afterword on Feb 7th 2022 at 9:42:39 AM
Based solely on the example text and no knowledge of the work, it could be something like
- For the Evulz: Graham eventually theorizes that the monster isn't tormenting and killing people for food — it just likes to. Seasons 4 and 5 suggest that there's more to it than that.
Elaborating on the details behind the spoiler tags to the extent possible with the existing released material.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.A work has a character, and he dies at the end of it. It is a success and the work is renewed for sequels, and the character is a beloved one. However, his death is not undone, so we get things like long flashback sequences or new adventures that are chronologically before the one with his death.
Is it a Posthumous Character, or something else? It would seem so, but the trope seems to be about characters who are Posthumous Character from the let go.
Ultimate Secret Wars
HoMM Fan
I'd say they're still a Posthumous Character, as the sequel is considered a new work and they are dead from the start in the sequel.
Edit: Though if the work is specifically a pure prequel, they are Doomed by Canon instead.
Edited by Tonwen on Feb 7th 2022 at 12:01:05 PM
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