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Jun 25th 2016 at 2:23:15 PM

If the weapons are under the coat, then they're kind of hidden by definition. Trenchcoat Warfare is already listed as a subtrope of Hidden Weapons.

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Jun 25th 2016 at 4:46:53 PM

Yeah, you're not supposed to know that the character has weapons hidden in the coat until they open it. Hiding the weapons is an essential part of the trope, otherwise it's just Walking Armory.

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Jun 25th 2016 at 6:23:15 PM

Reposting these example from Future Quest, from the previous page, since I didnít get any response and people are likely to skip over the previous page:

  • Art Shift: Characters not designed by Alex Toth were redesigned to unify the comic's art style.
  • Shared Universe: The action heroes are part of a multiverse, though it is shown that Jonny Quest, Birdman and Mightor exist in the same Earth.

Also could someone take a look at these examples from Wacky Raceland:

  • Action Survivor: Their flashback tale makes it clear Luke and Blubber were this pre-racing. They survived the apocalypse as children and spent years fighting and surviving until well into their twenties in spite of being trapped in a world filled with monsters and cannibals and being dead drunk at least 90% of the time.
  • All Germans Are Nazis: The Red Baron sings the praises of the Announcer by calling her an Aryan Goddess who is giving him a chance to create a new "Master Race".
  • Always Save the Girl : Peter perfect as ever...this goes even worse for him than in the original since by the time he's trying to rescue Penny she's already gotten herself out of trouble...and to her exasperation she ends up having to save him instead. In a mythology gag the Ant Hill Mob offer to help when Penelope faces down a licentious mutant in the bar, although once she politely says she doesn't need any help they happily get on with their own fight.
  • All Men Are Perverts: A mutant with three heads and Dick Dastardly both act lecherous towards Penelope.
  • Ambiguously Evil: The Announcer. She's apparently omnipotent and is putting what may be the last of humanity through a road of death traps.
  • Badass Long Coat: Dick Dastardly still wears one, now made of leather.
  • Butt-Monkey: Peter Perfect is lucky to still be alive given how disastrous his attempts to help Penelope Pitstop go.
  • Darker and Edgier: A post-apocalyptic version of a cartoon that was amazingly predictable.
  • Ms. Fanservice: Penelope Pitstop now dresses in a latex catsuit and gimp hood. Since she's first seen in normal clothes just before recruitment and this outfit was given to her by the announcer this may have been an intended trope in universe as well.
  • Mythology Gag: A few most notably Penelope and the Ant Hill Mob are clearly friendly and they rush to her aid during the bar brawl...not that she needs their help but she's still happy to see them.
  • Nice Guy: Peter Perfect tries to be helpful and polite.
  • Sentient Vehicle: The Announcer has given the cars awareness, intelligence, memory, and even the ability to talk. Mean Machine is quite vocally disdainful of Dick and Muttley.
  • Transsexual: Private Meekly is a trans woman, in a departure likely meant to avert The Smurfette Principle. When Red Baron makes gross remarks at Meekly, she angrily tells him that she was never a man but a "damn fabulous woman".
  • Xenafication: While never exactly helpless (especially in her own show) the new Penelope is a badass who drives around in a fetish catsuit, kicks ass all on her own and when her car breaks down rides an eldritch abomination to win the race.
  • You Gotta Have Blue Hair: Dick Dastardly has Multicolored Hair that's dark purple and red.

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Jun 25th 2016 at 10:30:55 PM

[up][up]Yeah, I guess. Sorry. When I think of hidden weapons, I think of concealed weapons.

...Which an arsenal of automatics under a longcoat technically counts as.

edited 25th Jun '16 10:31:15 PM by war877

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Jun 26th 2016 at 4:57:26 PM

Its been about a day since I posted the examples above [up][up][up], and 9 days since I originally posted about the Art Shift and Shared Universe examples. Any chance I could get a response?

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Jun 26th 2016 at 10:17:46 PM

For the Vanilla Edition page, did it seem fair of me to add an entry about Disney's Signature Collection, not because its BDs seem barren of extras, but instead because they don't contain as many extras as the Diamond Editions? For reference's sake, the Snow White Signature Edition apparently has ~2.5 hours' worth of extras (not including the commentary), which sounds like more than zero, but less than the over four hours that the Diamond Edition apparently had (not including galleries and games, which the Signature Edition didn't carry over at all).

edited 26th Jun '16 10:18:05 PM by dsneybuf

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Jun 26th 2016 at 10:27:33 PM

This trope only applies to double releases, or releases with no bonus content at all. Was the signature edition shortly followed by the diamond edition?

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Jun 26th 2016 at 10:34:24 PM

The Diamond Edition came out in October 2009, and the Signature Edition in January 2016.

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Jun 26th 2016 at 10:55:57 PM

That gap is too large. And Disney is not getting caught with their pants down releasing an inferior product later. Let me guess. The Signature edition is HD and the diamond edition is SD?

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Jun 27th 2016 at 5:09:18 AM

The Diamond Edition was a three-disc Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, while the Signature Edition is a two-disc Blu-ray/DVD/Digital HD combo pack.

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Jun 27th 2016 at 5:13:01 AM

It's hard to imagine either of those being considered "Vanilla".

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Jun 27th 2016 at 6:58:29 AM

~Anddrix: If nobody responds to your questions, they may not have an opinion or may not wish to tackle things in sets. You might try Trope Finder, as it serves the same basic purpose as this thread.

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Jun 27th 2016 at 1:37:11 PM

For the video game Pump it Up, do you think the video for Canon D would be considered Enseamble Darkhorse in YMMV? On one discussion a troper explained the extent of popularity for BGA, and there are plenty of forums for the video game where posters discussed that the animation is very notable. T He video is even the trope page. I want to know how much to the extent the video is for this trope even for YMMV.

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Jun 27th 2016 at 1:46:37 PM

Ensemble Dark Horse is for characters, and nothing else.

That trope also has its own thread if you want to discuss current or potential examples.

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Jun 28th 2016 at 1:26:17 AM

The classic Carl Barks Donald Duck story "Terror of the River" involves Donald and the nephews investigating reports of a river monster who has been terrifying locals. The "monster" turns out to be mechanical, piloted by a man in a submarine. Donald asks the baddie why he would so such a thing, and the villain replies he scares people for the same reason other people go dancing-it's fun. I was going to add this to For the Evulz , but started wondering if it was closer to It Amused Me. Thoughts?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Jun 28th 2016 at 1:33:16 AM

Yeah, It Amused Me sounds better. It's really more of a prank than something actually evil.

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Jun 28th 2016 at 3:39:35 AM

I don't know if this is were I should ask this so if it isn't please feel free to ignore me.

I asked on the Discussion page but never got an answer but does a weapon have to be an laser/energy weapon to qualify as a Wave-Motion Gun or can projectile weapons count as well?

I ask because the Warhammer 40'000 entry list the Nova Cannons as a Wave-Motion Gun despite it firing large explosive shells rather than a beam.

edited 28th Jun '16 3:39:49 AM by SebastianGray

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Jun 28th 2016 at 5:42:17 AM

From what I can understand, it's specifically some kind of beam weapon, so projectile weapons wouldn't count.

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Blazer_the_Delphox from Illinois Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Jun 28th 2016 at 6:40:58 AM

I wasn't sure whether I should have reposted this or simply edited it, but I probably should have clarified something with this. I'll leave this here, just in case anyone needs to catch up to speed:

On the page for Creature Feature, I added an example under Wham Line, but removed it later because I began to wonder if it would count as an example. For context: In "A Corpse in My Bed", Erik falls unconscious for reasons we don't yet know. A character named Dani then threatens to kill Curtis if he doesn't take her out on a date. During their "date", Curtis finds Author Avatar Ziliak out so late. She tells him that she was waiting for Erik, which leads to this exchange:

Ziliak: Erik and I were supposed to meet up here, but he never showed. I was hoping to give this to him. Would you mind?
Curtis He never showed up? He never WOKE up.

I wanted to note that this is an Oh, Crap! moment for Curtis, as he himself is coming to this realization as he speaks. (Possibly Explain, Explain... Oh, Crap!, while we're at this.)

edited 6th Jul '16 1:58:03 AM by Blazer_the_Delphox

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Jun 28th 2016 at 8:29:52 PM

That seems like an appropriate wham line to me. It could use a bit more context. I assume the audience would not see this death coming if watching it for the first time? If so, you are golden.

Edit: Oh, I see. He fell unconscious, and they are informing another character. In that case you want the other trope. Dropping the Bombshell.

Edit:[up] Playing time lord, are we? Unfortunately, you still haven't given the critical details necessary to make a determination in this case. But I am betting it is not an example still.

Probably would have been better to create a new post.

edited 6th Jul '16 6:05:31 AM by war877

Jun 29th 2016 at 5:52:50 AM

From what I can understand, it's specifically some kind of beam weapon, so projectile weapons wouldn't count.

Thanks, that is pretty much what I thought. Looking at the context, it seems the Nova Cannon was added because someone thought Wave-Motion Gun meant any large and destructive weapon mounted on a starship.

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Jun 30th 2016 at 2:11:19 AM

EDIT: Posted in wrong place sorry.

edited 30th Jun '16 2:15:46 AM by HulkingChevon

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Jun 30th 2016 at 3:29:32 AM

Yes it is. Invisible Backup Band.

But you should ask this kind of question on trope finder.

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Jul 1st 2016 at 5:03:14 AM

In One Piece's 4Kids infamous dub, they changed Sanji's cig into a lollipop. Now, years after they stopped dubbing it, the author has a likely illusion of Sanji with a lollipop in hand instead of a cig. Is this a Mythology Gag?

edited 1st Jul '16 5:09:18 AM by isoycrazy


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