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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#2376: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:04:02 PM

Does Counter-Strike count for that genre?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#2377: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:12:33 PM

Nope. The genre was pretty much codified by the Call Of Duty Modern Warfare games, hence the name. And even those games are looked upon harshly for the blight they've unleashed upon the world.

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#2378: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:18:40 PM

I believe Counter-Strike counts as part of the military shooter genre.

edited 6th Jun '16 12:26:12 PM by Karxrida

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#2379: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:40:29 PM

There's a difference between a military shooter and a modern military shooter.

...And that is all I know about shooters.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#2380: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:55:56 PM

Then I'm inclined to agree that the example fits the trope.

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SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
#2381: Jun 6th 2016 at 5:57:08 PM

I hope it's appropriate to ask on this thread about examples that have not been put on trope pages yet; I currently have two cases where I don't know where the fine line between example/not example lies. I'd ask the first question here.

Spell My Name With An S explicitly excludes name variations that are solely due to romanization systems. In this case, would a small spelling variation that does affect pronunciation count as an example? For example, the surname of Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon's male lead is spelled as "Cranell" by Yen Press, but "Cranel" by other legal sources. It's just an "l" apart, but the former rhymes with "Cornell" while the latter rhymes with "kennel."

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#2382: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:08:42 AM

Both forms should produce the exact same pronunciation, neither of which rhymes with kennel.

What is recommended against are minor differences. This is not a minor difference, so it is an example.

SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
#2383: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:19:27 AM

[up]This is the part that I'm puzzled. How can a single "l" not be a minor difference?

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#2384: Jun 7th 2016 at 4:27:53 AM

Okay, if it is a minor difference, is it caused by two different systems of romanisation?

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#2386: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:05:31 AM

Pulled the Meaningful Release Date example.

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#2387: Jun 7th 2016 at 6:34:37 PM

The Books of Ember:

  • Adam and Eve Plot: The reason Ember existed: to help humanity survive the Disaster by sheltering them for 200 years until the world was safe again.
  • Adults Are Useless: Most of the important accomplishments in the series are achieved by children (specifically, Lina and Doon in The City of Ember, The People of Sparks, and The Diamond of Darkhold, and Nickie and Grover in The Prophet of Yonwood) with minimal parental supervision.
  • Crapsack World:
    • Ember at the start of the first book. It was once a nice place to live, but by the start of the novel, the city is dying, with food shortages and regular blackouts.
    • Subverted once the Emberites reach the surface. Life has regressed to the pre-industrial age, and all who live on the surface must work hard, but people seem to generally get along with one another. (With the exception of The People of Sparks, but that was partially because the Emberites didn't know how to do anything.) By the end, society has been completely rebuilt into a utopia.
  • Crying Wolf: Subverted; the mayor tried to claim to the city that this is what Doon and Lina were doing when they reported that he and Looper were stealing, stating that they were "spreading vicious rumors." However, they were telling the truth.
  • Fiery Redhead: Lizzie; it's stated by Lina that her red hair makes her look like her head's on fire, and she's very energetic and talkative.
  • New Eden: The ultimate destination for the main characters of The City of Ember: their city is dying, so they're trying to find a way for everyone to leave it and go somewhere where they can all survive.
  • Plucky Girl: Lina and Nickie who understand how bad things are in their respective times and try their best to help and make things better.
  • Shrinking Violet: Amanda (Prophet of Yonwood), who doesn't have the strength to stand up to Mrs. Beeson and ends up helping her.
  • Utopia: Ember subverts this. It was meant to be this, but unfortunately, its people are suffering from power outages and supply shortages at the start of the story, and both the current mayor and least one in the past were corrupt, which ultimately causes many problems for Emberites.
  • Well-Intentioned Extremist: Mrs. Beeson in The Prophet of Yonwood, who strictly enforces her interpretations of Althea's delusional mutterings because she believes that they are instructions from God, telling the world what they must do to be free of sin.

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#2388: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:08:48 PM

Fiery Redhead would be inaccurate. She needs to easily get angry.

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#2389: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:26:30 AM

Adam and Eve Plot doesn't apply, it's closer to a version of The Ark where vessel is a city rather than a boat.

Crying Wolf: That's not a subversion, it's an invocation.

Utopia: Also not a subversion.

edited 8th Jun '16 6:28:08 AM by Larkmarn

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#2390: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:46:20 PM

Is being "token" no longer necessary for Token Mini-Moe? I have seen this trope slapped on a large number of main cast members of Slice of Life anime—usually in character list only—but while I have no objection on the other criteria of this trope, I'm not sure if they are "token." I'm talking about the likes of Chiyo of Monthly Girls' Nozaki-kun, Haruka of Kotoura-san (both The Protagonist), or a minimum of Alice of Kiniro Mosaic, Yuu of Sakura Trick, and Chino of Is the Order a Rabbit? (more-or-less Deutagonists, premise-wise).

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#2391: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:17:45 PM

From the description, "Since they are the Token Mini Moe, if there are other similarly young looking characters in the cast then it is probably not this trope."

It also speaks about them sticking out from the rest of the group by being younger looking, in a way that it would normally be addressed if you applied real life logic. I'm not sure some of those characters really stick out in that respect.

So yes, them being token is a requirement. A token trait can be applied to main cast members. Just not multiple.

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#2392: Jun 9th 2016 at 6:01:11 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]So it's been about two days, anyone else want to take a look at the rest of the examples.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#2393: Jun 10th 2016 at 10:53:57 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] So it's been about three days, anyone else want to take a look at the rest of the examples.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#2394: Jun 11th 2016 at 6:07:45 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] So it's been about four days, anyone else want to take a look at the rest of the examples.

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#2395: Jun 11th 2016 at 7:50:34 PM

~Anddrix

Please have patience. We'll get to those proposed examples when we can.

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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#2396: Jun 12th 2016 at 5:37:12 PM

The following Kingdom Come example in Strawman Has a Point:

"Of course, Superman's view, that murdering a criminal already in custody is wrong, isn't exactly unreasonable either, and blame should fall on the court systems that refuse to give the Joker any other punishment than internment in Arkham."

Is this an actual example?

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#2397: Jun 12th 2016 at 5:58:07 PM

Unless Superman is intended to be a strawman (which was certainly not my reading of Kingdom Come, but then it's been a while), then no, it's not an example on its own.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#2398: Jun 12th 2016 at 6:28:52 PM

Also, isn't Both Sides Have a Point specifically for when both sides are reasonable as presented by the story? That is, neither is a strawman side.

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#2400: Jun 13th 2016 at 4:28:24 PM

Can In Spite of a Nail apply to a video game with multiple story paths (in this case, Fire Emblem Fates) instead of having Time Travel?

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