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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
Recent addition to Wonder Woman:
- Batman Can Breathe in Space: Or in this case, Wonder Woman can breathe in poisonous gas. After she returns to the bombed village, Diana has no problem walking through the village. When Steve arrives moments later, he is unable to approach the same area.
As much as Tropes Are Flexible, I doubt this one count. Batman Can Breathe in Space is for when ordinary people inexplicably ignore vacuum, not for what is clearly the superpower to ignore poison...
Edited by StFan on Sep 21st 2022 at 1:51:44 PM
Lost in Space
The trope literally says that it is about "ordinary people", and Wonder Woman is not an ordinary person. Cut.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Does a Spiritual Antithesis necessarily have to be about two works in the same genre, or does two works by the same creator exploring a similar theme, but giving a oposing view on it, also count?
example: a work insists on the importance of honor above all else, while the following stars a similar protagonist facing with a similar backstory, but foccuses on the dangers of putting Honor Before Reason. The first is a science fiction story, the second a fantasy,
The trope description starts by stating that "the Spiritual Antithesis is referencing or invoking an earlier work by using similar characters and themes, but going in a completely different direction." But the examples of Genres that play this role to each other focuses, well, on subgenre of courses. and the various examples pages also use that meaning.
i can't remember one on top of my head right now, but sometimes i notice that a author wrote two works not necessarily in the same genre, but dealing with different views of similar themes, so i wondered if this works with TV Tropes definitions of Spiritual Antithesis.
Musician/Composer
From Angie's section in Characters.Trauma Center:
- Good Is Not Nice: Angie is The Lancer, strongly committed to her duties as a nurse, and means well for Derek, but her temper and emotional immaturity often lead her to display obnoxious behavior that negatively impacts those around her.
Does this example fit better under the Jerk with a Heart of Gold trope or the Good Is Not Nice trope?
Edited by gjjones on Sep 21st 2022 at 2:34:51 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Good Is Not Nice qualifies for people who perform heroic actions while still being jackasses about it. Think about Batman for example.
Showtime!
That sounds more like Good Is Not Nice to me. Jerk with a Heart of Gold to me implies a "hidden-ness" the example doesn't have
Found this in TheScrappy.Animated Film:
- Gopher is not popular with British fans of the Winnie the Pooh animated adaptations of the original A.A. Milne books, as Gopher isn't in the original books. He was created in order to give the films more appeal to American audiences and is often criticized for being symbolic of the heavy Americanization the franchise has undergone under Disney. Furthermore, as gophers are native only to North and Central America, his inclusion has effectively changed the location of the Hundred Acre Wood (and other locations in the forest Winnie-the-Pooh and his friends live in) to the United States, whereas the original books are clearly set in England (specifically in Ashdown Forest, West Sussex).
- Gopher was excluded from the 2011 animated film and the 2018 live-action film Christopher Robin, as both were specifically designed to be a lot more faithful to the original books and thus more appealing to British audiences.
This sounds like textbook Americans Hate Tingle to me. Permission to move?
Yes, fix Example Indentation in Trope Lists while you're at it.
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Found this on the YMMV page of Not Okay where I think that they confused Fetish Retardant with Fan Disservice.
- Fetish Retardant: There's not much that's sexy about Danni's sex scene, even with her being played by the very pretty Zoey Deutch. It's uncomfortable for her and Colin's dirty talk is more disturbing than erotic. At least it's over quickly.
I think this scene is meant to be unsexy. Should I pm the op that this is misused or not?
Edited by Bubblepig on Sep 22nd 2022 at 12:16:18 PM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
the Retromancer
When a real world president appears in the story with no modifications, does it count as Real-Person Cameo or No Celebrities Were Harmed?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
No Celebrities Were Harmed specifies the celebrity is thinly disguised, so it's not that. Real-Person Cameo is when a work about a celebrity has a cameo by the celebrity, so it's not that either. I'm not finding anything that amounts to "a real famous person is mentioned in the work" except As Himself and Newscaster Cameo, which is when the real person plays themself in the work, and Fictional Fan, Real Celebrity, where there's a character who's a huge fan of the real person.
the Retromancer
Notably, Our Presidents Are Different potholes "President Unmodified" to No Celebrities Were Harmed.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Do we allow pothole like the above post?
Also don't forget to look at my post.
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
Coffeenix! (She/Her)
Nvm, I need to read page descriptions.
Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Sep 22nd 2022 at 10:15:06 PM
Sandbox help wanted.
Musician/Composer
In Jumanji, Sarah's tragic backstory is that everyone referred to her as "crazy" after she attempted to tell them of Alan's disappearance in the titular game. Does this fit under the They Called Me Mad! trope?
Edited by gjjones on Sep 22nd 2022 at 9:16:08 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Is she a scientist? That's what the trope focuses on.
As written, that sounds more like Cassandra Truth.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Gonna file that trope away as another "probably very misused" one, don't mind me...
Uh, yeah I agree the example is more like Cassandra Truth.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Musician/Composer
Gotcha. Just wanted to check, as usual.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Here's the link to my post that needs answer before it get lost:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=895#comment-22360
Does One-Letter Name still apply if the character only had it temporarily? (i.e. he had a one-letter name on an episode or spin-off, but it's completely dropped afterwards)
With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation
Musician/Composer
This was just added to Lacus Clyne's section in Characters.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny:
- No Celebrities Were Harmed: Lacus's journey from entertainer to widely-adored political figure also has a parallel in Eva Perón, including the version with the singing.
Evita: I'm amazed, for I'm only an actress. Nothing to shout about; only a girl on the air... But when you act, the things you do affect us all.Peron: But when you act, you take us away from the squalor of the real world.
Is this a valid example?
Edited by gjjones on Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:14:04 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Is the example quoting Evita on a Gundam example? That seems wrong.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Musician/Composer
Yep.
Edited by gjjones on Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:16:08 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Removed the MLP example from Non-Human Non-Binary. Still waiting for responses about the Mixed Animal Species Team and Common Knowledge entries I brought up, though.