Is this an example?

Do you think this is a proper (sub)example for Tearjerker by quoting the line of the theater (that the show were based on)? Because I found one on the Tearjerker page in Sons of Anarchy. Here's the example (mostly the sub example).

• Jax's death in the series finale. The thought of Jax making sure his kids would hate him for the rest of their lives was the saddest part ever
  • Now cracks a noble heart. Good night, sweet prince, And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

Edited by Bubblepig on May 17th 2022 at 9:47:25 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

Regarding the El Goonish Shive example, that character was just introduced a few strips ago, and we don't have context as to why he reacts that way to technology, so I think it's a little pre-emptive to list it as a Berserk Button, especially since the character already seems to be a little high-strung.

Edited by Afterword on May 17th 2022 at 12:50:01 PM

A smile better suits a hero

Is that a separate incident? Or does one of the characters quote Hamlet? If the later, format as a quote with context as to why it's a tearjerker in this situation. As is, it's not indented correctly.

NOTE: there are several indentation issues on that page. I don't know the show, so I don't have the context to see how some of those indented bits fit together. Which sort of says it all about whether they are properly written or not.

Edited by underCoverSailsman on May 17th 2022 at 12:16:56 PM

I was afraid of that. I'll delete the example I added under Berserk Button until more strips are added.

It's not a separate example, the sub example is a quote for the main example. Should we delete it?

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

Regarding End of an Age, that example is misuse anyway, because it's not talking about anything that happened in-universe.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Check Text-Formatting Rules. It has a segment on how to do on-page quotes. That still doesn't explain what makes it a Tear Jerker, though. It needs context.

I found this Ambiguous Disorder entry on Characters.MCU Moon Knight, specifically referring to Stephen Grant, and I'm wondering if it should be cut or not.

My concern comes from the fact that Stephen already has (or rather, is a product of) a mental disorder, namely Dissociative Identity Disorder. The show is explicit that that front, and Stephen is a separate personality that was created as a coping mechanism for Marc when he was abused by his mother. So, would Ambiguous Disorder even fit if they have symptoms of a mental disorder that's different from the one they canonically have? Especially since none of Marc's other personalities seem to show signs of being on the autism spectrum?

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 18th 2022 at 5:49:19 AM

Steven actually is an example. The character's actor ended up playing him in a way that raises the question of whether he might be. He said in an interview that he pitched the idea (along with a few other things) to Marvel, and they decided to run with the actor's vision of Steven. So, the ambiguity is confirmed to be deliberate.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Did he pitch it as autism spectrum disorder specifically?

I suppose there would be nothing preventing someone with D.I.D. from projecting ASD onto one of their personalities, but that personality wouldn't "really" have it, they'd just be displaying symptoms of it because they *think* they have it. So I suppose it would still be an example, just a profoundly weird one.

Not sure if this fits here or Trope Finder better since I forgot the protocol there lol, but anyway, I plan to add a Missing Child example to The Twins (2022), however, I'm not sure if it fits with the context.

Bascially (spoilers for the film), a missing poster of Lake appears in the credits. However, the original Lake has taken Lucas' identity after he died. While a twin is indeed missing, that's because one died and the other took his place. I also skimmed through the trope and it says that it's based on adults searching for the missing child. The closest thing to imply that the missing child is being searched for is that an offscreen (and presumably adult) character hung the missing child poster.

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."

That sounds like it's getting into controversial concepts (though anecdotally every autistic person I know with DID has it systemwide) but I think if the actor outright said they play the character with a specific other mental disorder in mind, that would make sense as an Ambiguous Disorder entry, even if it's not totally accurate to real life. I assume the alters are their own individual characters after all.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 18th 2022 at 8:15:16 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Bit uncertain about this example of Technology Marches On on Trivia.Animal Crossing 2001:

• The NES is the only gaming console you can find, which was an already dated system when this game came out. Despite newer, more advanced consoles releasing over the years, the NES is still all that's available.

Can something count as Technology Marches On if the tech in question is already outdated by the time the work released? I'd initially removed it because I didn't think that was the case, though admittedly didn't leave an edit reason; I think it's because of that lack of an edit summary that Plutopiter added it back in a more fleshed-out form (the one seen here). So with that in mind, I thought it'd be best to ask about it here, to determine whether or not it applies.

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Relatedly, this also brings up some second thoughts about a point that I myself had added on the same page under the same trope:

• The only stereo items available are CD players, tape players (both cassette and reel-to-reel), and turntables. Some of these items were already outdated by 2001, and the Vinyl Revival in 2007 would ensure the mainstream reemergence of turntables, but the absence of digital-oriented stereos is more than conspicuous long after downloads and streaming became the dominant forms of music distribution.

If "already outdated for its time" is enough to disqualify a point from Technology Marches On, would this also be inapplicable or can it still count on the grounds that it includes contemporary tech in the same group?

Edited by bowserbros on May 18th 2022 at 5:33:49 AM

Be kind.

On In the Style of, do fan-created trailers or credits sequences count as examples?

The cold never bothered me anyway

Yeah, we're inclined to say neither of those fit. They give the same retro impression now as they did then, the release of better technology doesn't change that.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

From Flay's folder in Characters.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Heliopolis:

• Don't You Dare Pity Me!: She accuses Kira of pitying her for her father dying (he didn't go to visit his parents) and snaps back at him. There are two interpretations: that she doesn't want pity from Kira, and also that she cannot stand that he is still being so nice to someone like her. Or both.

True example?

Edited by gjjones on May 18th 2022 at 10:41:51 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Alright, removed both and cited this thread in the edit summary.

Be kind.

What I mean by my inquiry for "In the Style of" is if this counts as an example (under "Film"):

• Fan Vid "trailers" for movies that make them out to be an entirely different genre have become popular lately. Such works have a home on the Web at Cineflix,Trailer Max and The Unusual Suspect [which is followed by a list of some of these trailer remixes].

Edited by dmcreif on May 18th 2022 at 12:10:01 PM

The cold never bothered me anyway

That sounds lke an example but it should probably be less general.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Considering the list of examples (from that entry) is of fanmade trailer remixes, I don't know whether these would fit better under the "Fan Works" or "Web Original" folders of that page:

• Shining, Stephen King's The Shining as a family comedy.
• Scary Mary, Disney's Mary Poppins as a horror movie.
• David Lynch's A Goofy Movie, the Disney film, as directed by David Lynch.
• Ten Things I Hate About Commandments — The Ten Commandments as a classic teen movie.
• Must Love Jaws — Jaws as a romantic comedy.
• The Wicker Man — The Nicolas Cage version of The Wicker Man (2006) as an intentional comedy.
• There were also numerous "Brokeback" fake trailers to make other films look homoerotic in the vein of Brokeback Mountain, such as Broke Back To The Future.
• Monty Python and the Holy Grail Modern Trailer — the classic Python film as a straight action-adventure, with a few too many of the audio and visual gimmicks in every contemporary trailer for such films whether needed or not.
• Star Wars (Guardians of the Galaxy Style!) is a particularly good one. Especially if you think of Spirit in the Sky as the Force...
• Elf - Elf as a thriller, that implies Buddy is a schizophrenic who lives in some childlike fantasy
• Mrs. Doubtfire recut as a horror film
• Willy Wonka - Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory recut as a horror film. What makes it better is that there's no alteration to the tunnel scene as if the editor took one look and thought "yeah... this one's good as is."
• Up, as directed by Michael Bay

The cold never bothered me anyway

Re: Gundam Seed

I think that in a character example you're either using the example or you are not. I think it works perfectly fine as an example because, yes, she is doing exactly what the trope says.

• Don't You Dare Pity Me!!: Flay accuses Kira of pitying her for her father dying (he didn't go to visit his parents) and snaps back at him. She doesn't want pity from Kira or cannot stand that he is still being so nice to someone like her. Or Both.

So you could leave it alone and it'd be good I think.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on May 18th 2022 at 10:27:26 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

Reposting because I didn't get enough answer and help. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=809#comment-20201 Also I mean the sub example quote are from the different work which didn't add enough context for the example.

Edited by Bubblepig on May 19th 2022 at 5:42:16 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

x11 @Cutegirl920fire. It's kinda a Zero Context Example because your example doesn't tell us why an adult put a missing child poster of "Lake" or how "Lake" went missing (notice how I put the quotation mark on the name "Lake") .

Edited by Bubblepig on May 19th 2022 at 10:54:06 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

Hi, I'm thinking of adding this entry to Dana Terrace's page, the creator of The Owl House:

• Promoted Fangirl: Dana has drawn fanart for each member of the Gaang in the past, with the full list being found here. In The Owl House, major supporting character Amity is voiced by Mae Whitman, the voice actress of Katara.

I was a little unsure because I wasn't sure if having the VA of an animated show you were a fan of on your payroll is "promoted" enough.

Having a question regarding Scrappy Mechanic.

So there are certain games that, while fully released, continue to receive regular updates, which introduce new mechanics.

Sometimes these are good and sometimes they aren't.

But if an unpopular mechanic is around for a couple of days before it's fixed, having been quickly patched by the developers because it was an unintended oversight on their part... does that actually count as a Scrappy Mechanic? Or is that closer to a bug?