Is this an example?

Does this qualify as a exemple of The Worf Effect? It sure felt like the worf effect whatching it, but rather than a established character getting defeated, it was a group established as powerful getting decimated, so i'm not sure it fits the trope.

The Worf Effect: Katanagatari: The Maniwa clan is a group of ninja, each possessing a distinctive appearance and a unique ablity. In the first episode, Togame talk them up as dangerous opponents who will be a pontential obstacle on their quest, and Maniwa Komouri put up a decent fight against Shichika. Then each episode have one of them shows up, make a quick demonstration of their power, only to be defeated easely to show how the strong the Character Of The Week is.

PS: Being familiar with the Mega Man Fandom, i can tell that the Metal Blade is considered a Game-Breaker (sometimes to the point of Memetic Badassery), but does'nt fit the definition of Scrappy Weapon since it's problem is that it is too good.

I'm not sure. The Worf Effect requires that the character be established as powerful first. Superman had years of being a strongman before the page image occurs and Worf was relying on the decades of history for Klingons established as powerful enemies to the Federation. The ninja clan, on the other hand, sound like they began as Informed Ability. The audience is told that they're powerful rather than being shown that way. I'm put in mind of Team Rocket/Goldfish (I forget the trope name).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Can a character be both a Nice Guy and a Jerk with a Heart of Gold? Because Marvin Acme is listed as both on Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

Not at the same time (you could be a JWAHOG who matures into a Nice Guy after character development).

I have also considered Informed Ability, but i would be hesitant to call them that either (with maybe one or two exceptions), because they generally do have the superhuman powers they are said to possess. Which is why it's meant to be impressive when a character handily defeat one of them. And they are not comically inept vilains like Team Rocket either. Thinking about it, since their problem is that they fail to mesure up, maybe it's more of a case of Overshadowed by Awesome.

Well, Acme is killed pretty early on in the film, so I don't think he had time to mature.

I do not think that Nice Guy and Jerk with a Heart of Gold are compatible, since the defining characteristic of Nice Guy is that they are nice pretty much all the time.

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Here are the two examples for those wondering.

• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: He isn't quite the person you'd want to like given his fetish toward female toons, but he does love toons and, as stated above, wants to leave Toontown to them when he's gone.
• Nice Guy: He is a bald, middle-aged gentleman with an eccentrically jovial, lighthearted personality who loves and cares deeply for the welfare of all toons.

Which one should we keep?

Well, the Jerk with a Heart of Gold entry doesn't explain his jerkiness at all.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

I believe it's referring to Acme "playing patty-cakes" (surprisingly not a euphemism) with Jessica Rabbit, reminiscent of studio heads taking liberties with young actresses.

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Are these examples of Superman Stays Out of Gotham (from the Marvel Cinematic Universe subpage)?

• Season 1 of Jessica Jones was criticized by some fans for the fact that, aside from Claire Temple's appearance in the season finale and a few small references here and there, it operated like it was in a vacuum from Daredevil, despite taking place in the same part of Hell's Kitchen that Matt patrols (and the fact that, again, Kilgrave started out as a Daredevil villain). While not done as a response to the criticisms, season 2 of Daredevil makes several small references to the events of Jessica Jones (Jeri Hogarth has hired Foggy's girlfriend Marci Stahl and makes a cameo in the season 2 finale to hire Foggy as well; Sgt. Brett Mahoney references the late Oscar Clemons in another episode; and it's mentioned that DA Samantha Reyes is intent on going after Jessica after the Punisher's case is wrapped up).

And, further down the page:

• Season 2 averts this in a different way. The Raft, the illegal prison that some of the Avengers were imprisoned in during Captain America: Civil War, is mentioned multiple times as being where Jessica's mom is most likely to end up if she gets arrested. And Trish is sent there at the end of season 3 for her crimes.

And lastly:

• There has been some criticism over the fact that the first two post-Defenders Netflix shows, The Punisher season 1 and Jessica Jones season 2, don't even acknowledge the events of The Defenders.
  • With Jessica Jones season 2, there's in-universe and out-of-universe reasons why the show acts as if the events of The Defenders never happened:
    • The Watsonian reason why the season didn't deal with anything about The Defenders is because Jessica didn't even want to be a part of the whole teamup. She's willfully ignoring everything that happened because not only did she not want to be a part of it, but Matt, who was the one person besides Luke on the team that she even mildly connected with, was seemingly killed by their superhero antics and saving the day. She willfully ignores the fallout of The Defenders because she wants to.
    • The Doylist reason why The Defenders is seemingly ignored in Jessica Jones season 2 is due to the production schedule. According to showrunner Melissa Rosenberg, and interviews with Krysten Ritter and Rachael Taylor, the writing process for Jessica Jones season 2 started in January 2016, well before The Defenders writing process began.^note In fact, Rosenberg worked with the showrunners on The Defenders to make sure Jessica didn't undergo any major growth. That's why what references are made to other shows are limited to everything up through Iron Fist season 1 (Jeri Hogarth mentions Rand being one of her clients in a couple of scenes), with a cameo from Foggy establishing that the season takes place after Daredevil season 2.^note Foggy left Matt at the end of that season and began working for Jeri Hogarth
  • The Punisher season 1 suffers a lesser case of this. The primary reason why the events of The Defenders and the other Netflix shows outside of Daredevil season 2 aren't acknowledged is because The Defenders didn't involve Frank or affect him in anyway. Therefore, his show didn't deal with anything about the fallout of The Defenders, even with Karen Page being a recurring character in both shows, but we can tell with her scenes in The Punisher that she's definitely in the midst of mourning Matt's death. Matt is the huge unspoken Elephant in the Room that is never discussed. For story purposes, Matt's "death" isn't brought up so that The Punisher is a bit more self contained in its story, and also because hearing about Matt's "death" wouldn't have affected Frank and his quest for revenge. It would have merely impacted his interactions with Karen.
  • For the Phase II shows, this trope is quite averted for Luke Cage season 2, because a big part of the story is about Misty Knight getting adjusted to her new bionic right arm, after she lost said arm fighting Bakuto in Midland Circle. Nor is it the case for Daredevil season 3, because of Matt's "death" and subsequent recovery in a convent. For Daredevil season 3, showrunner Erik Oleson imposed this for the writing process so as to not one-side the rivalry between Matt and Fisk.

Edited by dmcreif on Mar 29th 2022 at 9:02:38 AM

The cold never bothered me anyway

First off, every time an example says "averts this" you can just cut away, the aversions aren't notable.

Reading through them, it seems that whoever wrote these examples was being super defensive about an issue that only the continuity obsessed would even care about, and seems to be rationalizing alot. If they are to stay, we should just keep the ones that are glaring examples, the first one listed in my mind seems like it fits.

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I don't think this example from that page counts either, for the reasons you mentioned.

• During Diamondback's arc, there have been some arguments that S.H.I.E.L.D. and/or the Avengers should have been involved due to the alien nature of the Judas bullets and Luke's superstrength. However, the Avengers are at this point still re-establishing themselves following half the team leaving, and with the controversy about the Sokovia damages still looming (the events precede Captain America: Civil War, where the Lagos disaster makes the UN intervene), so they would be unlikely to deal with a mundane situation like arms dealers in one New York City borough. And S.H.I.E.L.D. by that point was operating without sanction and need to get government approval and funding. So if any outside help did get involved in the Diamondback arc, it would be the ATF or the FBI.

Edited by dmcreif on Mar 29th 2022 at 9:44:18 AM

The cold never bothered me anyway

As a lawyer might argue, those are facts not in evidence, and speculation on said facts. If you Fan Wank a story long enough, eventually you'll get ... something.

I would cut as speculative.

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The Mario example on Contrasting Sequel Setting is weird. Sometimes it's about the Hub Levels, sometimes it's about the settings as a whole, and it lists every 3D game even though some consecutive ones have similar settings. Also, the entry had weird grammar when it was added that I've since fixed.

In the Video Games folder of Refrain from Assuming:

• The ending song of Persona 3 has two official titles. On the US soundtrack, it's listed as "Kimi no Kioku", but on the Japanese soundtrack, it's officially titled "Memories of You". The two titles mean the same thing (and neither appear in the song), but it's interesting that the Japanese album uses the English title and vice versa.

This doesn't seem like a valid example, because both titles are official. It's also mis-indented, as there's another Persona 3 example right below it.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Yeah, that is not an example.

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I like to remind people that we can trope Reality TV narratives provided they are noted as narratives, but does that mean we can keep stuff like Base-Breaking Character in relation to Reality TV cast?

• Base-Breaking Character: Not "characters," but some of the Fab Five and their heroes have very divisive reactions among fans.
  • Jonathan Van Ness has been hailed as a queer and non-binary icon by many, with their deferring to Black hairstylists when needed praised. Others have vocalized that they're tired of JVN's cutesy and over-the-top style, especially following their comments about Bernie Sanders and Ronald Regan (in JVN's defence, they have said they were making a poorly worded joke).
  • Karamo is either the best, most charismatic member of the Fab Five or the most useless, depending on who you ask. Some find his segments to be the best and most emotional while others have repeatedly asked, "What does he even do?" For what it's worth, most of the heroes have said they bonded with Karamo the most and consider him a very genuine person.
  • Among the heroes, William gets this a lot. Some found him to be The Woobie in his episode, particularly because it feels like the Fab Five pick on him a good deal for his cheap furniture and dated wardrobe. Others found his episode finale to be extremely cringey and dorky. And some have pointed out that William is an actor (albeit not a highly prolific one) and found it suspicious that this wasn't mentioned in the episode, potentially implying that he might have been a plant. None of this has been backed up by any of the cast or heroes.

I've asked a similar question before. Consensus was that reality show stars can be scrappies, so I suppose Base-Breaking Character is fine as well.

Speaking of troping real people, there are examples of Just Here for Godzilla and Unexpected Character in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and both are about Patrick Stewart. Not the character he is playing, but Patrick Stewart himself. Are these valid?

Just Here for Godzilla can be used for "actor I like" (see page image), Unexpected Character can't (inb4 Ralph Bohner).

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 30th 2022 at 1:54:58 PM

BBC for reality TV is fine, IMO, but the entries should stick primarily to stuff done on or regarding the show.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

That's fair, I'll cut the parts not about the show. Thanks!

Nitro Indigo: Since Galaxy 2 and 3D World are the only direct sequels among the 3D lineup, I'd say cut the 64, Sunshine and Odyssey entries, and merge the two Galaxy examples into one and likewise for the 3D entries.

135 - 169 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300

I was thinking the other way around; the Galaxy and 3D Place games have similar settings within their pairs, whereas Sunshine and the Galaxies as a whole are far-removed from the Mushroom Kingdom.

Not sure if the last line should fit in an example of Fake Memories. Here's the example with highlight.

• It even happened in Power Rangers Operation Overdrive, where they revealed that Mack Hartford was in fact a robot and his memories of his childhood were implanted by Andrew Hartford, the worst father ever .

Edited by Bubblepig on Mar 30th 2022 at 2:36:50 AM

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