Is this an example?

Are either of these examples of a Dissimile?

• lonelygirl15:

• LG15: the resistance:

Not sure about the former, since it's not broken down like the gag seems to require, but the latter seems valid.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

So Vichy Earth is for a situation where planet Earth is a client state, or where Earth people are still in charge, but answer to the alien conquerors. The example you wrote seems to be a case of Well-Intentioned Extremist.

The examples, as written, would not apply. For Dissimile you need two things compared (using the word like or as) that are actually not comparable. The format is usually:

• A is like B, except without C, or D, or E or any other similarity.

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So, basically, they have good intentions behind some morally questionable acts? I mean, some of them they commit can come off as pretty villainous for others. Is there a way to combine this trope with Aliens Are Bastards?

This is on King Richard:

• Undermined By Reality: Will Smith earned his best reviews in years and went on to win his first Academy Award for Best Actor. Unfortunately, shortly before his widely expected victory, he shocked and disgusted audiences by slapping and screaming at Chris Rock live on the televised ceremony over a joke he made about Smith's wife; Jada Pinkett Smith. What was expected to be an enormous high point in an icon's career ended up being completely overshadowed by his unprecedented bad behavior, followed by an enormous amount of mockery and criticism for a beloved superstar.

there's no mention of the 'moral message' of the film being contradicted by Smith's actions.

Cut that, an oscar ceremony doesn't exactly have a message to undermine.

Also it hasn't even been 24 hours since the incident, we should really wait at least a few days before shoehorning it into every trope.

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This is exactly what we talk about when we say "hot off the press". What Smith did at the Academy Awards cannot be said to retroactively taint his career until many years have passed and we understand the full impact. Never mind that a lot of people feel he was justified. It's way outside the scope of what TV Tropes is about.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 28th 2022 at 5:05:11 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Someone has asked about Overshadowed by Controversy for the event, fwiw.

I do think this is likely to count in the long run as OBC (especially because the rest of the ceremony was reportedly pretty cringe anyway), but not UBR, at least not without some actual context for what's being contradicted in the work. That's just an OBC entry in disguise, and a biased one at that (and this is a stupidly heated issue so it really needs more neutrality than that).

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

But will it though? Will the movie Smith won the oscar for even be remembered as being connected to this at all? Right now it seems huge, but people are still talking it over, offering their two cents, wonking about chivalry vs toxic masculinity vs celebrity entitlement vs freedom to tell bad jokes vs the heat death of the universe.

This is why we wait, because we have no idea how it will look once all the dust has settled and pop culture settles on a narrative.

I'd personally like ban any examples featuring it for at least a month, but we'll deal with them on a case by case basis.

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Tbh I don't think anyone cares about the film enough for it to be overshadowed. It seems more the Oscars ceremony itself.

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Oh yeah, the Oscars ceremony was certainly overshadowed by The Slap, but we don't trope that as a discrete thing. Or shouldn't. I hope we aren't.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 28th 2022 at 5:54:55 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

There is a section for Overshadowed by Controversy on Academy Awards Ceremonies. The Slap isn't in that section, but it is listed under Big-Lipped Alligator Moment (not really sure if it belongs there).

Absolutely not.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Can a Game-Breaker weapon qualify as a Scrappy Weapon? Someone put the Metal Blade from Mega Man 2 in ScrappyWeapon.Mega Man saying that it was "TOO good".

Edited by Vulkus on Mar 28th 2022 at 3:37:36 AM

That is completely at odds with the basic idea of a Scrappy Weapon, namely that it sucks. Not an example.

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It might count as Tier Induced Scrappy, though.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Is the metal blade in MegaMan 2 considered "too good"? I'm not involved in the fandom, but I have played the game and the metal blade is great on some enemies and worthless on others, which is par for the course in Mega Man

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The entry in question listed the same reasons why Metal Blade was such a Game-Breaker: can be aimed at 8 directions, weaknesses of multiple bosses (Robot Masters and Fortress guardians), and low energy consumption.

EDIT: I removed it anyway because Scrappy Weapon is supposed to be about bad weapons. But...does it maybe have a place in Tier Induced Scrappy? That's what I'm not so sure of now.

Edited by Vulkus on Mar 28th 2022 at 4:05:04 AM

What became the standard Mega Man pattern is that every boss is weak to one weapon, and no two have the same weakness. So yes, the Metal Blade is overpowered by series standards, and it is a fairly widespread opinion that this makes MM2 less good than it could have been.

Edited by Vilui on Mar 28th 2022 at 12:02:30 PM

King Richard has this entry

• Consolation Award: Though his performance was acclaimed, many believed that Will Smith's Oscar win was more due to his overall career and came at the expense of Benedict Cumberbatch and Andrew Garfield losing for what had frequently been called their best work.

I'm not sure of this because not only is Smith's performance in "King Richard" deemed the best of his career, but he was also a front-runner for the award.

Also,

• Memetic Mutation: An absurd amount of humor was instantly derived from Will Smith slapping Chris Rock at the Oscars on the night of his Best Actor win for this film.

This has nothing to do with the film. This moment was definitely memetic, but I don't think that it belongs on the page.

I was referred to this thread by this ATT thread. An example of the exact example in my mind when I first made the query is as follows:

• We All Live in America:

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• Both the novel and its adaptations show the Riefenstahls having magnificent mansions in their fief as well as the capital, which is not a European practice but a Japanese one. Tokugawa Japan has its unique Sankin-kotai system, which requires all daimyos (i.e. feudal lords) to spend alternate years in Edo and their own fiefs, which necessitates the daimyos to build mansions in the capital. In Europe, noble houses may build mansions at the capital if that country has a stronger central government such as Britain or France, but this series' naming conventions indicate Fitzenhagen is located in Germany, best known for its political fragmentation at the time.

(To be added to LightNovel.Endo And Kobayashi Live The Latest On Tsundere Villainess Lieselotte)

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Some further background on this query and the ATT query itself:

For the past year or so I have been involved in the editing of "Reborn as Villainess" Story, a specific subgenre of Light Novels written mainly for women. These works usually follow Shōjo conventions, however, they have the tendency to use a Fairy Tale-style Medieval European Fantasy with a Cast Full of Rich People as their setting. But after reading for a while I already realized those aesthetics are pretty much a veneer over things that are Japanese in nature. A TF query I initiated on January 25, 2021 seems to indicate these instances are We All Live in America, but I would like to verify if that belief is correct since it was discussed in the ATT query today.

However, the original intent is to check if my historical research here was correct or not.

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I actually have heard some chatter that Smith's award was considered a Consolation Award, but I think we need some time to see how the film and his legacy settle out before we can say for sure. A big thing for me is that, unlike say Scorcese, Smith doesn't have alot of roles that should have won him awards (maybe Ali ... maybe).

And cut that Memetic Mutation entry, it's still way too soon, not to mention that it isn't related to the film at all.

Edited by laserviking42 on Mar 28th 2022 at 2:03:29 PM

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Re: We All Live in America

The example talks alot about various feudal practices in our world (and btw, you are roughly correct, though there is a bit more naunce), but you haven't talked as much about the work itself and how it applies.

We All Live in America is for situations where the writer will create a supposedly foreign society that more resembles the one the creator grew up in. For your example to apply, you'd need to focus more on that and less on various real world situations.

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