Is this an example?

I know Dork Age is in TRS right now, but I have a question about the following entry from the TV Networks subpage:

• [adult swim]. The cracks started to show in early 2020, when Toonami saw its block reduced to only 3 hours and consisting of mostly reruns due to budget cuts and the COVID-19 Pandemic, which also caused a severe lack of game reviews and speeches. However, it became more noticeable with the cancellation of The Venture Bros. in September 2020 despite having previously been renewed for the eighth (and possibly final) season in 2019. Then, in November 2020 WarnerMedia announced a round of layoffs that caused the end of not only the Adult Swim Games division, but also the beloved Adult Swim Streams, causing all of the shows to end shortly after and take their hosts from AS in the process. This also killed of AS's last primary source of fan interaction after the Adult Swim Message Boards were shut down in 2014. Jump to September 2021, and Adult Swim has now lost the rights to one of its highest rated shows, Family Guy, which caused ratings to sink like a rock, and leaving AS with a struggle to fill airtime in the process too. To (possibly) combat this, Adult Swim started adding split-screen credits and TBS-level speed-ups on the first two hours of the block, despite AS having been loved for never getting into this sort of thing. While Toonami has recovered for the most part, with the rights to Bob's Burgers expiring in 2023 and mass cancellations of originals galore, things aren't looking too bright for the rest of the block.

Is this a common opinion people hold about AS? I haven't been involved in the animation world in a while, but I know that Smiling Friends and the Pibby pilot were received well. Yeah there have been cancellations, but is the whole network seen this way now?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 15th 2022 at 8:56:25 AM

It flunks No Recent Examples Please, and the alleged "Dork Age" hasn't gone on for long / ended

Edited by magnumtropus on Jan 15th 2022 at 6:14:31 PM

Thanks, I've removed the example.

YMMV.Lunar Chronicles

• Death of the Author: Linh Cinder is specifically half-Asian and, as stated by Meyer, supposed to resemble Mew Azama. Despite that, some fans insist that Cinder's white, and often subject her to a Race Lift in fanart.

I don't think that's being used right... is Death of the Author even allowed to have examples?

Reposted from pg 734 to get more feedback.

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The movie Encanto has a flashback where the actions of four nameless, faceless horsemen have a tremendous impact on Alma and Pedro (the matriarch & patriarch of the Madrigal family). Alma carries emotional scars from their encounter that have a significant impact on the current story.

The horsemen have only 30 seconds of screen time and they seem to be a perfect fit for Small Role, Big Impact. However, we have a troper that is insistent about them also being considered a Greater-Scope Villain.

• Greater-Scope Villain: They have about 30 seconds of screen time and no characterization, but are directly responsible for the circumstances and conflicts in the film. Their threatening of Alma and the triplets and their cold-blooded murder of Pedro led to birth of the miracle and the seclusion of Encanto. More importantly the trauma this caused Alma turned her from sweet and carefree woman to hardened single mother who developed a perfectionist personality and lived with an ever present fear of being exiled again. This caused her to instill in her children and grandchildren the burden to dedicate their lives to serving the community. The trauma was so great that whenever Alma tells the sanitized story of Pedro's loss she characterizes the murderers as nebulous dangers and it is only when she tells Mirabel the story in full that her granddaughter can finally understand and reconcile with her grandmother.

My understanding was that Greater-Scope Villain was like the MCU movie The Avengers where Loki was the Big Bad but Thanos was the Greater-Scope Villain. An evil presence "out there" that would need to be addressed someday but not directly participating in the current story.

This example just doesn't seem build a case for the horsemen being a Greater-Scope Villain but we need more feedback to rise to a consensus.

That sounds more like Fanon Discontinuity.

Reposting this here for some opinions:

Can Super Couple be played with? Because I found this.

• Arrow certainly tried this with Oliver Queen/Felicity Smoak, who were initially the Fan-Preferred Couple to the initial canon offering of Oliver/Laurel, but over-pushing of this led to Hype Backlash, especially when what made them interesting to shippers in the first place disappeared when they got together. Felicity gradually evolving into one of the most infamous examples of The Scrappy on television didn't help.

The trope page describes it like this. "The supercouple describes those pairings which intrigue and fascinate the public on an intense and obsessive level." Like I don't if that fit the ship or not but as is it reads like an excuse to complain about the ship and not technically true. Like the ship is still incredibly popular. Just look at twitter, Tumblr, and so on for proof. Controversial yes, but still incredibly popular. Again, I don't know if it is well known beyond the primary fanbase. Like say if you didn't know the show would you know them? I don't know. If so, it could be listed if it can be played with. So, can it be played with?

Super Couple is an audience reaction, and audience reactions can't be played with.

I don't think the Encanto example counts as "greater scope villain". I'm having a hard time articulating why, they just don't feel like they fit with the other examples of the trope

Okay I cut it. Thanks for the feedback.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 16th 2022 at 11:56:14 AM

I too don't think Greater-Scope Villain fits for Encanto.

is it okay that we're using Character Alignment for the literal Dungeons & Dragons' Elemental Planes? Like the examples from here?

Or should that get a TRS or some wick migration to just Elemental Plane or something?

Edited by Malady on Jan 16th 2022 at 11:56:00 AM

Within Dungeons & Dragons alignment is an objective force in-universe, and planes embodying those alignments objectively exist. I don't see the issue.

I'm doing a page clean up, and have questions about two tropes there, specifically Wham Episode and Wham Line.

The work is a webcomic that has been running since 2008, titled Housepets!, and the examples currently there are on this page:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Housepets/TropesMToZ

At present, there are ten sub-bullet entries under Wham Episode and 14 under Wham Line. My sense is that these are tropes that both easy to abuse and ones best reserved for a few special examples that really count. When there are this many of each, the "special" nature is gone, am thinking.

The entries under Wham Episode are walls of text, while those under Wham Line are ZCEs, which is another issue I plan to fix. But before I tackle that aspect, I'd like to get some feedback on whether most (or all) of these examples should be cut.

Thanks!

Edited by BoltDMC on Jan 16th 2022 at 12:53:07 PM

Like I've mentioned recently, the Plot Twist subtropes need a cleanup if there isn't one and maybe a restraint, because a longrunner can have several dozens of them. If not, some pages just move them to separate namepsaces.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 16th 2022 at 12:01:10 PM

I'm not sure if Undermined By Reality has a cleanup or not, but this is on Trivia.Sponge Bob Square Pants S 1 E 18 Texas Walking Small.

• Undermined By Reality: One of the intended aesops of "Texas" is to respect other people's heritages. Ironically, one of SpongeBob and Patrick's insults is commonly used as a Take That! against Texas.

I'd say it fits better under Misaimed Fandom, but I'm also thinking of removing that Aesop example from the main recap page for the episode because SpongeBob and Patrick were clearly trying to insult Sandy on purpose to get her to the Krusty Krab, and it worked. (In fact, I'm thinking of going through the SpongeBob recap pages to remove aesop misuse, since some of them are either not applicable to real life, or are taking simple gags too seriously.

Edited by MrMediaGuy2 on Jan 16th 2022 at 2:17:18 AM

I agree. Cut Cut Cut!

Thanks. Would love to get further thoughts about what I should do with the Housepets! example above. I'm thinking it's best to limit these tropes to the biggest Luke, I Am Your Father level lines and episodes (maybe 2-3 at most) and cut the rest, citing this thread. Would like to do this unless there's significant push back.

I agree on everything (including that the Spongebob pages really shoehorn in An Aesop), though I wonder if it would still be Misaimed Fandom if they didn't actually think Texas was dumb and just wanted to provoke Sandy, as they ultimately tried to embrace her heritage.

I just found this in Hostel Part 2 where I found the example that includes people's reaction. I bold some words to highlight the details.

• Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome: The film's opening focuses on Paxton, ending with a sharp curveball as his girlfriend walks downstairs one morning and finds his decapitated corpse sitting at the dining table. It was enough to make some fans boot the whole film from the series canon.

No. The bolded part has to be cut.

Cut the fan reaction. It might make for a Fanon Discontinuity entry if it's a popular enough reaction, but only if it's a popular stance.

Found on Love Epiphany:

I'm not sure if Love Epiphany is solely for romantic examples, but this sounds more like Can't Live with Them, Can't Live Without Them, especially since Cartman usually treats Kyle as the Butt-Monkey.

Ok thank you guys. Btw they have a example of the pothole trope.

I agree, that's not Love Epiphany at all, unless you have Shipping Goggles.

Would a fanwork that's in webcomic format be sorted under Fan Works or Webcomics on a trope page?