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In Helluva Boss S1E5 "The Harvest Moon Festival", this entry was originally added as is:
Cartoon Queen 99 changed the corresponding trope to the entry from Epic Hail to Epic Fail.
I changed it back to Epic Hail with the reason "Epic Hail actually was correct as the trope aligns with what's being described."
Cartoon Queen 99 then changed the trope back to Epic Fail without giving a reason.
As to avoid an edit war, I'm asking here first whether the appropriate trope of this entry is actually Epic Hail or Epic Fail, or even if neither fits what's being described.
Are the following examples from Jupiter's Legacy being used correctly?:
On the first Too Clever by Half might be the better option.
Should I list this under Love Chart or Relationship Chart?
Some folks are talking about a few incoming marriages, and then they go like "So now A will be B's mother in law from this side, and C's mother in law from the other side" and it gets more complicated, so somebody mentions that they should probably make a chart.
Would you all consider Fred, Velma, and Daphne from Scooby-Doo to be an example of the Blonde, Brunette, Redhead trope?
Blonde, Brunette, Redhead applies only to trios, and since the Gang has 4 human members (Fred, Daphne, Velma, and Shaggy), it can't apply.
I see, but on the Western Animation page, there are a few examples of the Blonde, Brunette, Redhead trope dismissing other members of the team. Family Guy has Chris, Meg, and Lois, ignoring Peter, Stewie, and Brian. The three examples used for Total Drama are almost completely random, and Teen Titans only has the trio of girls listed.
Also, the trio of Fred, Daphne, and Velma are often paired up in the background of cover art for direct-to-DVD animated films while Scooby and Shaggy take center stage (i.e Stage Fright, Cyber Chase, Monster of Mexico, Batman:The Brave &the Bold, etc.), so it isn't a totally random choice of characters to represent this trope.
Examples of unrelated characters are also probably misuse. I think qualifiers like "the only girls on the team" could count but it must be three characters.
Edited by mightymewtron on May 1st 2021 at 3:02:07 PM
Exactly. Any examples that are just “there is a blonde, a redhead, and a brunette in the cast” are misuse, so you can go ahead and remove them from the Western Animation subpage. While I can somewhat see your case with Fred, Daphne, and Velma (as for Shaggy is often paired up with Scooby), I don’t think it was a deliberate stylistic choice.
Edited by jandn2014 on May 1st 2021 at 3:19:59 PM
If anyone who's more familiar with Series.Batwoman 2019 than me would be so kind as to check if this fits the Filler trope, I'd be grateful:
Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 1st 2021 at 11:25:51 AM
Is Hate Sink YMMV? Because it doesn't say it is on its main page, but Give 1 Take 2 moved my Hate Sink example on Characters.Helluva Boss to YMMV saying "While it feels intentional that audiences find this character loathesome, until a character invokes this trope in-universe it'll have to remain a YMMV Trope".
Hate Sink is absolutely not YMMV; all that’s required for a character to count is that they are mainly designed to be hated by the audience. I have no idea what they mean by “until a character invokes this trope in-universe“.
Edited by jandn2014 on May 1st 2021 at 6:43:48 AM
Hate Sink isn't YMMV. A quick look at what the trope is about in its actual page says what's it about.
Of special note, going by a few of Give 1 Take 2's edits on the character page related to Stella, it could be guessed they may at the very least a Stella sympathizer and maybe a bit biased.
In any case, Hate Sink isn't YMMV.
Looked more into Give 1 Take 2's edits related to Stella on the page. What supposed bias that could be speculated can at best only be guessed in earlier edits. Later edits are much less clear and at best definitely much different than their earlier edits.
Edited by Elfkaiser on May 1st 2021 at 4:41:02 AM
Anyone want to weigh in on the example from Valentine on the previous page?
Is All Just a Dream flexible enough to include scenarios where previous events were just the product of kids playing pretend, or is there a trope that would fit better?
Brought these up in the Critical Research Failure clean-up page 9 days ago but didn't get a response, so... are the following examples from Kung Fu (2021) being used correctly?:
Not familiar with the film. Is it canonically supposed to be present-day Singapore?
It's a tv show, and yes it's supposed to be present day Singapore.
Vandagyre: No. I can't tell what trope that case would fit in, but All Just a Dream is definitely not it. I have just removed an example from South Park because it wasn't someone's dream, but a Christmas tale by Cartman.
EDIT: And it's the second time it's added, though the first time was a very long time ago.
Edited by MyFinalEdits on May 2nd 2021 at 3:49:22 PM
Sounds like a viable sister trope, though.
x3 Critical Research Failure is supposed to be about egregiously obvious errors, though I often see it used for any nitpicky not-like-reality detail.
As such, how bad are the police vehicle decals? Just a bit dated? How hard would it be for a US viewer to catch the errors?
Is the sign content plot relevant? I could see deliberate Artistic License WRT the bilingual signs if they make the story easier to follow by eliminating the need for the characters to tell us what the signs say.
Beast Man or a Little Bit Beastly?
A character is human at the base, but because of magic, he now has a tail, claws, fangs, and a growly voice. I'm not sure which one of the two tropes this falls under.
I've gotten more acquainted with those two than I ever expected due to some shenanigans over on Cat Girl, and I'm not clear on the differences between them. I'm not sure that they are really different concepts.
Cat Girl describes it as a Little Bit Beastly.
For reference, here is a picture of the guy in question. (Other than the tail, the rest is armor)
Edited by Lermis on May 2nd 2021 at 12:16:25 PM
They are a bit more distinct now that Petting Zoo People got merged into the former. Beast Man looks like a humanoid animal while Little Bit Beastly looks like a human with some animal traits, so I think is an example of LBB.
Edited by Synchronicity on May 2nd 2021 at 4:28:14 AM
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