Is this an example?

I don't remember much about Korra BTS to weigh in on but I remember Screwed by the Network contributing to low viewership as well.

That rule is meant to prevent examples that look like this:

• In some game shows, some prizes are literal interpretations of phrases.

In your example, you cite a specific work and specific examples.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 12th 2021 at 11:21:23 AM

Posting my query again since it is the second-to-last post on the previous page and may get overlooked:

I found this example in Acclaimed Flop that reads a little weirdly:

• While The Legend of Korra got positive reviews (minus the Sophomore Slump), it never managed to do well in traditional viewership numbers past its first season. Because of its Darker and Edgier nature, the second season was moved to Friday night from Saturday morning despite the show being targeted at teens/ young adults. Its ratings tanked after the move but it continued to do well on Nick's website and other digital platforms. Eventually, it was outright pulled from the live schedule and moved online but whether or not it was due to the ratings or the content (the second episode shown exclusively online had a brutal, unambiguous murder by asphyxiation on-screen) isn’t definitively known even though Nick said they had always planned to do it.

I don't know if this show is considered a flop since, from what I understand, it is still quite popular and did well during its original run. The entry, however, reads like it's unsure of what it's trying to say. I'm hoping someone more familiar with the series can weigh in.

It's also the subject of an almost edit war (I say "almost" because the third person who re-added the entry was not the original writer of the entry).

Thanks for the feedback! I added the example.

Found what I'm reasonably sure is a misused trope on a character's list and just wanted to double check before removing it, as I'm fairly new to the wiki. I'd like to confirm that a Knight of Cerebus heralds a permanent change in the work? The character in question is undoubtedly the worst villain in a comedy show and their appearance sets off its darkest arc, but it returns to normal after their defeat.

- Thanks :)

Edited by Azorius24 on Apr 12th 2021 at 10:26:51 AM

Knight of Cerebus is a subtrope to Cerebus Syndrome, and the latter page confirms that it can be a temporary effect. if a certain character heralds a temporary tone shift to a more serious mood, even if it reverts back afterwards, i think they still count as Knight of Cerebus

Would this count as a Mathematician's Answer: someone asks a game developer when a game will be released and they respond with "when it's done"?

Found on YMMV.Lilo And Stitch The Series:

• Accidental Innuendo: As Lilo and Stitch hunt down the experiment of the episode "Richter":
  Lilo: Let's get him sticky!

Is someone stretching here, or is it just lacking the context that would make this an unfortunate phrasing?

I guess some people assume every sticky liquid is ejaculate, even if there's no visuals reminiscent of ejaculate. Must make putting toppings on their pancakes very awkward.

Okay that comment was pretty funny.

Anyway yeah, cut the example for being a giant stretch.

Is Teniwoha's Vocaloid song "Villain" an example of Ambiguous Gender Identity? The song has an unambiguously trans main character, but it's unclear whether they're a trans woman or a non-binary person who was assigned male at birth.

I don't think so. I think Ambiguous Gender Identity requires it to be ambiguous whether they're trans or not. Plus, nonbinary trans women can exist.

This was added to the Persona 5 Strikers page for Narm. This entry was added previously, and now is back with slight adjustments.

• In addition, the first boss looks a bit overly sexual; yeah, it's a Playboy bunny kind of thing, but... it looks pretty silly.

The entry itself is not only added in improperly, but the example is badly formatted, doesn't make sense since the boss is themed around Alice in Wonderland, and the entry just says "it's silly" without being explained why.

Edited by keyblade333 on Apr 12th 2021 at 8:38:29 AM

Do they mean it looks silly instead of sexy? Maybe that could go under Fetish Retardant. I’m not really knowledgeable about sexiness tropes on this wiki, so that might not be the right thing. Edit: But I don’t know Persona so I trust your judgement on this thing.

On The Everyman:

• In The Walking Dead Lee Everett is this being a guy who grew up in Atlanta Georgia growing up, helping to run his parents store with his brother, getting married, getting into an altercation that led to the death of a State Senator whom his wife cheated with, getting sent to prison with a life sentence and waking up in a police car crash on the way to prison to start out with dealing with the apocalypse. In addition to that he his molded accordingly with the players decisions.

The first part makes sense, but I don’t think that most players can relate to getting cheated on and accidentally killing the person sleeping with your partner.

Edited by antenna_ears on Apr 12th 2021 at 9:23:25 AM

And talk about your run-on sentence! Yikes! I'd still call him an example, as up to the point where he gets into an altercation over his wife's cheating his life is pretty ordinary. Point out that the crazy stuff is recent enough that it hasn't had a chance to shape his character at the start of the game.

This on YMMV.Island Of The Lizard King:

Critical Research Failure: At one moment, you come face to face to a Lizardman riding a Styracosaurus. In the French translation, the (illustrated) Styracosaurus is described as a Tyrannosaurus rex!

Do we have a trope that applies to a single translation bobble, or is this egregious enough to count as a CRF?

Is this example from WesternAnimation.Dexters Laboratory which I added - complete with screencaps - an actual Ambiguous Gender Identity example:

• Ambiguous Gender Identity: In "Star Trek Unconventional" (an episode from October 1997) there is a character◊ who seems feminine-looking but has slight stubble and a male voice - it's not clear if they're female with a chain-smokers voice or transgender; then in the episode "Chess Mom" in the Soft Reboot series from November 2002 a judge is shown, and has an androgynous look◊, although it's unclear as to whether it's a long-haired man with male breast growth, a transwoman or a Bearded Lady and this is not commented upon In-Universe, although this may have been for Rule of Funny, but more likely Rule of Creepy, or given that it's a chess game, Rule of Fun.

V.S Zardy - Foolhardy:

• Precision F-Strike: From Zardy in the opening cutscene:
  Zardy: "Darn brats trespassing with their damn noise cannons..."

"Damn" isn't really that bad a cuss, is it?

Precision F-Strike is scaled in relation to the work, or in some cases the Character —if it's uncharacteristically strong and serves to express the seriousness of the moment, it counts.

Eh, I'll comment it out for now - I don't know if Zardy's home game has any dialogue, and FNF is kind of raunchy, so I'm not sure if it counts.

I have no idea what this entry from Ghosts of Fear Street is trying to say.

• Tear Jerker: The ending of Fright Christmas: While Kenny is let out of the closet at the store, and returns home to see his family, his mother worried, but happy he has returned, and the next day the dog who has gone missing returns as well. It is an inverted twist of All Justa Dream when Timmy shows up, Kenny notices Timmy as the third ghost from the dream and goes on to say how shocking it is, Timmy simply replies saying that it should not surprise him since he does live on Fear Street after all. While the story ends on a happy note, questions arise, if it all actually happened, why didn't anyone let him out of the closet at the store, were his family truly not happy to see him, etc. However, the ending contradicts itself, greatly. It is quite possible though that while Timmy might actually be a ghost, he might have conjured up the entire experience, so Kenny could end up experiencing it, thus making the experience an entire double subversion. Still quite sad to ponder though.

From YMMV.Line Of Duty, does this make sense for usage of the trope:

• Seasonal Rot: Despite being a well-loved drama, Season 3 is where the rot was really considered to have set in, with Pacing Problems and Filler episodes being a major criticism from the viewers; some even considered Season 5 Fanon Discontinuity due to Filler and sluggish pacing, although Natalie Gavin's appearance as Sergeant Tina Tranter (who's liked by the fandom) softened it a bit since she is a well-regarded actress in the UK who doesn't often get major roles, although it was a case of supporting a villainous character that she played. In general, some fans feel that it's been difficult to keep the momentum up in recent series.

Seasonal Rot's definition is a bit muddy but that seems like a decent example, though Season 3 and Season 5 should be on different bullet points.

I will fix that. On the same topic, I added this to SeasonalRot.Live Action TV about the same show Series.Line Of Duty, is this a proper example:

• Line of Duty, despite being a well-loved British Series Detective Drama, has had multiple cases of this:
  • Season 3 is where the rot was really considered to have set in, with Pacing Problems and Filler episodes being a major criticism from the viewers. In general, the problems were largely down to "The Caddy" Story Arc, and Hate Sink Gill Biggeloe and Lindsay Denton, the Big Bad, was seen as a Filler Villain despite being in the well-liked Season 2.
  • Season 4 was largely seen as one Filler Story Arc, with unlikeable characters (although this show is set in a Crapsack World), including Jodie Taylor, who was divisive and seen as a Jerkass at best, and in general, the plotline was seen as average. Despite a good cast, it was seen as having too much episodes with filler and the pacing being poor.
  • Some viewers/fans even considered Season 5 Fanon Discontinuity due to Filler and sluggish pacing, although Natalie Gavin's appearance as Sergeant Tina Tranter (who's liked by the fandom) softened it a bit since she is a well-regarded actress in the UK who doesn't often get major roles, although it was a case of supporting a villainous character that she played. In general, some fans feel that it's been difficult to keep the momentum up in recent series.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Apr 14th 2021 at 9:42:16 AM

Is it Informed Wrongness if the story doesn't present any alternatives to what they did? I thought I saw an example like that somewhere but I forgot.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Apr 14th 2021 at 10:02:48 AM

Nothing seems to suggest that in the description. It's just when a character's position is depicted as wrong, but makes sense in the context of the story.

Does it count as Revised Ending if the work is uploaded to two different places at the same time with different endings for each? I wanted to write an example for Spooky Month talking about how the Newgrounds and YouTube uploads have different endings, but I don't know if the trope covers that?