Is this an example?

In the same vein as MasterHero's post on the previous page, I believe those are not examples:

Thanos is simulateneously described as:

• Adaptational Jerkass: Zig Zagging. In the comics Thanos did raise Gamora through Training from Hell to make her the Universe's Deadliest Woman, but he did occasionally Pet the Dog, and he saved her life when her entire species was wiped out. Meanwhile, in this continuity, Thanos violently abducted her from her family apparently just because he could. However, it is shown that he only killed half of Gamora's people, in line with his adaptational personal philosophy.
• Adaptational Nice Guy: Zig Zagging. In the comics, Thanos has a Heel–Face Turn after the events The Infinity Gauntlet, realizing he isn't worthy of the godhood granted by the Infinity Gems. Years later he becomes a villain again, but is still sometimes depicted as a Noble Demon, Depending on the Writer. In the MCU, on the other hand, Thanos's motivations are more relatable, as his aim isn't to please Mistress Death, who doesn't exist in this setting. Instead, the movie version of Thanos is a Well-Intentioned Extremist who really thinks he's doing the right thing. He isn't above complimenting or even comforting his enemies, and sees his actions as Necessarily Evil to save the universe, and they should be grateful he's doing it. This is then thoroughly trampled on in Endgame, when it becomes apparent it's all a veneer of Faux Affably Evil. The Well-Intentioned Extremist justification is just an excuse for Thanos to satisfy his selfish need for power and validation, and he would contort space-time and resort to destroying the entire universe to do it. Needless to say, he doesn't have any sort of Heel–Face Turn before his eventual death.

Can I delete those?

There is also this example that appears to be fine:

• Adaptation Personality Change: In the comics, Thanos is madly in love with Death and it serves as the basis for a lot of his character and his motivations as almost everything is to satisfy her and do whatever he must to achieve it and saw everyone beneath him and his love for her. However, in the film, with him being panned as more of a Well-Intentioned Extremist and lacking his comic self's romance and motivation, he comes off as a far more conflicted character: his grinning mad Blood Knight tendencies shine through in battle, and he can be exceptionally and needlessly cruel in playing with his enemies, as well as take pleasure in people's suffering. But all the same, he genuinely feels his goals are well-founded, despite how horrific they are, never disrespects anyone for standing up to him, as well as comfort them when they do lose, and he does care about others, like his daughter Gamora. The one aspect that remains unchanged, his self-loathing, is only hinted on through his conversations with his daughter, as well as what he says after he decides to kill her.

Edited by Asherinka on Mar 15th 2020 at 3:00:54 PM

At the least, Just for Fun should never be listed as a trope.

YMMV.Final Fantasy X

• Sequelitis: While there's Will, as posted above in Broken Base, there's a lesser-known (and Japan-only) novel released alongside the HD remasters called FFX-2.5 ~Eien no Daishō~ (The Price of Eternity in English) which leads up to it, and is responsible for most of what people took issue with with Will. Some highlights: Tidus kicks a bomb because he thinks it looks like a blitzball, which ends up killing him in a gory manner (complete with his severed head landing on Yuna). She revives him, which incidentally brings everything back from the Farplane, but he's made of pyreflies and will vanish if he realizes this. There's also a lot of sex for some reason, even after Tidus dies and is subsequently revived. Needless to say, it's nearly-universally hated in Japan.

I’m not sure this qualifies, since it’s not an actual sequel like Final Fantasy X-2 is, it’s more like supplementary material. It might fit better in Fanon Discontinuity imo.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 15th 2020 at 8:52:21 AM

The fck. It like that Novel from Kamen Rider Faiz. But yes, i go with Fanon Discontinuity.

YMMV.Teen Titans

• Badass Decay:
  • Brother Blood. Even though his power level actually seemed to go up with each appearance, his personality became increasingly hammy, petulant, and single-mindedly obsessed with Cyborg, which noticeably hurt his overall effectiveness as a villain.
  • Also very observable with the HIVE kids. In their first couple of appearances, they're the Evil Counterpart team to the Titans and can fight them evenly (and beat them without too much trouble if they play their cards right), but as time goes on they become complete jokes to the point that Jinx, who remained the most competent, finally jumped ship and became a hero.

So the Brother Blood example is admitting it isn’t actually an example at all, and it’s just complaining about his personality.

Also, I’m not sure if HIVE actually is an example or not, considering it doesn’t give context to how they’ve decayed.

Is this Cerebus Call-Back or Cerebus Retcon?

• Red Sadie: Within canon, Amethyst and Greg's interest in Little Butler was obsessive but relatively tame, simply serving as the eventual backdrop for their falling out. Eye of the Storm reveals that Rose, Garnet, and Pearl purposefully used the two's love for the show to keep Kay a secret from them while she adjusted to Earth.

Can But Not Too Foreign be apply to a latino character whose ancestors was Asian?

Question, those other boys who were at the military school in the Simpsons episode “The Secret War of Lisa Simpson“, could they be described as He-Man Woman Haters or Straw Misogynists for how they act towards Lisa? The line is kind of blurred there.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 15th 2020 at 3:37:47 PM

I haven't got a clear answer to this, so I have to ask again:

Does For Want Of A Nail require an existing alternate story, or does it not?

• Kirby: Triple Deluxe
  • The events of the entire game happening can be attributed to Taranza's failure to recognize Kirby, not Dedede, as the true hero of Popstar. Had Taranza done so, his plans would've succeeded — Queen Sectonia would have remained unchallenged (and probably succeeded in becoming Popstar's goddess like she intended), and everyone would live miserably under her tyrannical rule. Though, as that game's bonus content shows, Dedede might've been capable of saving the day himself.
  • A more tragic example that led to Sectonia's Start of Darkness — according to Word of God, Taranza unwittingly caused Sectonia's insanity when he decided to give her the Dimension Mirror as a gift, not knowing of the imprisoned Dark Meta Knight. Had he not done so, the events of the entire game would have been avoided, and Sectonia would continue to rule Floralia as the kind and fair ruler she originally was.

For Want Of A Nail describes itself as a subtrope of What If?, which is explicitly about changing a small detail in canon and seeing what happens, so I'm going to say it does need an existing alternate story. So you can cut that for being speculation in addition to misuse.

Edited by Serac on Mar 16th 2020 at 9:29:12 AM

I agree there has to be an Alternate Universe that was produced because of For Want Of A Nail. Otherwise it be speculating.

Hey, would this count as Values Dissonance from A Different Stroke in which Kimberly darken her skin to appear black. A sitcom of the 70's wouldn't see it as a big deal but do that in modern family sitcom you be asking for trouble.

Characters.Ed Edd N Eddy The Eds

• Younger Than They Look: Despite looking and sounding way older (high school if not college) than the other kids, they're only in middle school and Eddy is stated to be 12.

They look their age to me.

Per this I intend to cut list MemeticLoser.Death Battle as when I asked elsewhere everyone who replied agreed it should be cut as all examples are misuse]]. I will cut list it on the 19th per Three-Day Rule. Any objections?

They do look like kids. I say cut.

King Cold on Characters.Dragon Ball Friezas Empire is listed as both Affably Evil and Faux Affably Evil. He can't be both, at least not at the same time. Is there anything suggesting his politeness is a facade?

• Affably Evil: During his cameo in Dragon Ball Super: Broly, he is surprisingly cordial with King Vegeta and even more strangely King Vegeta is cordial back.^note Where he barely hides his contempt for Frieza He does decline shaking King Vegeta's hand, but the way King Vegeta offered it and his reaction after being rejected makes it seem like this in unusual behavior.
• Faux Affably Evil: Even moreso than Frieza. He comes off as very gentle, and doesn't get to do much that was too horrible, but it becomes pretty clear when he takes Trunks's sword to try to kill him with it.

I wonder what trope that example would fit in, then.

(At least, other than Unwitting Instigator of Doom or Nice Job Fixing It, Villain)

Fridge Horror? Fanfic Fuel?

Would the following qualify for The Password Is Always "Swordfish", or would it not count given the logic behind the use of the password:

• Red Panda Adventures: In "The Great Fall", superhero magician the Stranger carries with him the doorway to a vault of numerous magical artifacts that would doom the world if they were to fall into the wrong hands. To access it, one must simply say a magic word. The magic word the Stranger selects is "Please". The Stranger explains he chose because it was the one word he could be reasonably certain the Nazi Mad Scientist he was keeping the artifacts from would never think to try.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 16th 2020 at 10:49:13 AM

Question: how does Artistic License apply to a world that's clearly not our own? Because this is in My Hero Academia, which is In a World… where everyone has superpowers.

• Artistic License – Education: Shota "Eraserhead" Aizawa's infamous (especially In-Universe) act of expelling an entire class because they weren't taking the Quirk Appreciation Test as seriously as he wanted them to, in their first day. While we eventually get The Reveal that he only got them officially expelled for a few minutes in order to Scare 'Em Straight and re-enlisted them right afterwards (and as a matter of fact this reveal is given by one of the students of said class, now in her second year in U.A. and who actually thanks Aizawa for it), the fact still stands that Aizawa performed this action with zero red tape getting in the way and even now by the "current day" of the series the administration of U.A. has not put any measures in place to prevent him from doing it again.
• Artistic License – Law: When All for one is locked in tartarus it is mentioned he wasn't given a trial and will not be getting one in the future and is talked about like its a good thing. Not to mention the inhumane treatment the prisoners are given (trapped to a wall 24/7, monitored constantly, gun turret.)

However, don't these assume that the laws and education systems are the same as ours? The show has clearly established that there are different laws for dealing with Superhero School students and how society handles heroes and villains. And on a meta level, it seems that you might as well just add "Artistic License – Biology: People have superpowers" to the page.

In the case of Aizawa, it's not a case of UA not taking steps from preventing it occurring again but actively allowing it to happen in the first place. The capacity to Scare 'Em Straight in that way was Aizawa's condition for becoming a teacher from the beginning. May still fit the trope, but not for the reasons given.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 17th 2020 at 12:18:15 PM

Can I put this on Screw This, I'm Outta Here in the Real Life subsection or will it violate ROCEJ?

• The coronavirus outbreak of 2020 led some people to flee from isolation wards until they were brought back or unable to be found. What's worse is the fact that many fleeing people tested positive for coronavirus and ran away because they tested positive, meaning that many other people could have been infected. While some were able to be tracked down and sent back to the hospital, others were not.

Note: if you want the validity of this, google "coronavirus patients flee hospital." (I'm not putting this in the trope example, this is just a sidenote to prove that these scenarios exist.)

Anything involving coronavirus strikes me as something to be avoided due to the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 18th 2020 at 10:57:32 AM

Not sure how to pothole this... Whether to use each game, or just the VideoGame.Borderlands series as a whole...

YMMV.The Clue Finders:

The series as a whole. Chained potholes are always bad.

Could I please get some opinions on this?