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AegisP Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Nov 4th 2019 at 1:01:27 AM

Um... that's the very definition of Ikea Erotica. Boring dull sex.

Too late, I'm already judging you. Here I go judging. Ahem. "That person spells 'Mmm' with seven M's. What a weirdo."
Nov 4th 2019 at 1:51:05 AM

It's one line. I'm not familiar with the work, but I doubt that that's the whole sex scene. It feels like cherry-picking. Like pulling out the line "He stood up." and then sarcastically commenting on the elegance of the prose.

Edited by Twiddler on Nov 4th 2019 at 1:54:47 AM

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Nov 4th 2019 at 2:19:59 AM

So, Absurdly Low Level Cap has an entry for Pathfinder, where right at level one (so absurdly low), your ability scores (not level) can reach the point where they become more expensive (not a cap). So yes, it's absurdly low, but it's not a level, and it's not a cap.

Another editor disagrees, claiming that ability scores count as levels, and Diminishing Returns for Balance counts as a cap. Any thoughts on that?

Special trousers. Very heroic.
Nov 4th 2019 at 3:14:45 AM

Yeah, that's not a cap.


Also, part of the idea that it's Absurdly Low is that there's an expected progression in story, where the limit of character growth stops far short of the end of that story.


Is Ceres, Celestial Legend a Inversion or something of Adjective Noun Fred, being Fred Adjective Noun?

Edited by Malady on Nov 4th 2019 at 6:08:39 AM

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Nov 4th 2019 at 4:53:54 PM

Does Katniss and Peeta's relationship from The Hunger Games count as The Beard, because it's a sham relationship meant to fool the public.

wingedcatgirl cat_rotation.gif from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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Nov 4th 2019 at 5:31:51 PM

It's not meant to hide the fact that they're gay, so no.

Don't we have a trope for fake relationships in general?

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
WarJay77 NANO words left: 37,088 from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Nov 4th 2019 at 5:32:38 PM

[up] That is The Beard trope.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
wingedcatgirl cat_rotation.gif from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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Nov 4th 2019 at 5:33:58 PM

Or, well, we literally have Fake Relationship...

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
Nov 4th 2019 at 5:52:40 PM

I guess there need to be a repair on the two tropes.

Gacha Is A Lie.
XFllo from Europe? Europe!
Nov 4th 2019 at 6:27:54 PM

I believe there is a cleanup thread for duplicate tropes, too. I think in Trope Talk, not in Projects.

Dying Smirk (TLP draft)
Nov 4th 2019 at 6:33:46 PM

As I understand it, The Beard is for when a fake relationship is to cover up socially unacceptable traits, not just for when a character is gay. Katniss and Peeta's relationship is faked so people won't think they oppose the government, which would get them ececuted.

Edited by SharkToast on Nov 4th 2019 at 6:43:07 AM

Nov 4th 2019 at 7:00:25 PM

No, it's faked for drama/sympathy/viewership. By presenting a Star-Crossed Lovers situation, the crowds eat it up, which in turn gets the two of them more sponsors, thus increasing their shots at survival.

Edited by Twiddler on Nov 4th 2019 at 7:01:40 AM

Nov 4th 2019 at 7:02:29 PM

But they keep it up after the games so no one will suspect their stunt at the end of the first book was an act of defiance.

rjd1922 The Radio Demon from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
The Radio Demon
Nov 4th 2019 at 8:03:18 PM

I believe this example in The Streamer's folder on Characters.Twitch Plays Pokemon is blatant misuse:

  • Adorkable: Due to his mysterious and quiet nature, it can be pretty jarring and sweet when he comes in just to excitedly comment on a Slowpoke appearing (as it's his favorite Pokemon due to having "a well-defined personality").
Also, this example under Ed's folder on Characters.Cowboy Bebop... I don't think "skilled hacker" equals "badass":
  • Badass Adorable: She's a very cute girl who is quite quirky and a skilled hacker for the Bebop crew.

Edited by rjd1922 on Nov 4th 2019 at 10:06:42 AM

I haven't been that entertained since the stock market crash of 1929!
PlasmaPower Relationship Status: Cast away
Nov 4th 2019 at 9:40:05 PM

YMMV.The Simpsons S 8 E 14 The Itchy And Scratchy And Poochie Show

  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • Looking back on this episode might seem extremely hypocritical for a show that now regularly has celebrity guest stars in every episode and features some kind of flavor-of-the-week pop culture reference humor in an effort to stay relevant, not to mention becoming increasingly rampant with Loads and Loads of Characters that compromised the original formula, for better or worse.
    • Just as bad is Bart's statement that the fans owe the writers and producers instead of the other way around, especially given that even at the time the episode aired, the fandom had spent millions of dollars of its own money on a Simpsons merchandising empire that would embarrass Krusty the Clown. It's a message that's aged particularly poorly when you consider that many people who see that message for the first time after its initial airing (or outside of re-runs) will have done so through either a DVD box-set or paying for the episode on a video-on-demand service, which are decidedly not free.
    • Alex Rocco, the voice of Roger Myers Jr., passed away in 2015, eighteen years after this episode aired. This was the final episode to feature Roger Myers Jr. And what was the final line Rocco recorded for this episode as Myers? "I have to go now. My planet needs me."

The first and second ones seem like complaining, in addition to the events in this episode not even being tragic. The third is also misuse because it's just mentioning an actor that died. Nuke?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 4th 2019 at 1:40:35 PM

XFllo from Europe? Europe!
Nov 5th 2019 at 6:01:23 AM

[up] I would nuke all three. Harsher in Hindsight is misused a lot. About the third example: It's a destiny of all creators that they'll eventually pass. No, that doesn't make all their works harsher in hindsight.


About this:
Adorkable: Due to his mysterious and quiet nature, it can be pretty jarring and sweet when he comes in just to excitedly comment on a Slowpoke appearing (as it's his favorite Pokemon due to having "a well-defined personality").

I would delete it, but to be fair, the definition of adorkable is all over the place.

When characters like Dr Zoidberg of Futurama or Captain Holt of Brooklyn Nine-Nine are also troped as adorkable, I guess anyone can.

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Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Nov 5th 2019 at 7:20:33 AM

It's possible that the last example was focusing more on his last words... but nuke all those HIH examples.

I love when bad shows have great music. Sometimes, it can be worth the hassle of sitting through a bad work.
Nov 6th 2019 at 2:55:03 AM

Not a deadline so doesn't count? Trope Description does too much implying Liminal Time as subtrope when it's not?

Manga.Flying Witch:

  • Celestial Deadline: After eating some chocolates that Akane had made, Inukai takes on dog-like features during the day. By nightfall, these features vanish, and Inukai reverts to a fully human form.

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Nov 6th 2019 at 11:44:40 AM

So I'm rereading Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality again, and the author's notes insist the mysteries are all solvable — would this go under Fair-Play Whodunnit, even though most of the mysteries aren't whodunnits, or do we have something else for that idea?

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WarJay77 NANO words left: 37,088 from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Nov 6th 2019 at 12:13:21 PM

Would this count as Ascended Extra, downplayed?

  • The Call Of Warr: In Cry Of Mann, "Soldier Erin" was just a caller who claimed to be a soldier, asking Jouglat to return to the warr. Due to the nature of the callers, she didn't properly exist as a character in their universe, and was just a name that got tossed around. However, Call Of Warr turned her into a proper character...in the backstory, where she was a former M-Company soldier who died in an explosion.

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VulgarBee I AM KING OF THE BEACH!! from End of the Other Side Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
I AM KING OF THE BEACH!!
Nov 6th 2019 at 1:02:41 PM

I'm gonna ask this again so no one answered me last time.

I have an example of either Precursors or Ancient Astronauts:

  • The urSkeks from The Dark Crystal came to Thra from another world and meddled with its way of life, such as breaking the crystal and splitting themselves as 2 good and evil halves: the Skeksis and the Mystics. The former halves end up ruling over Thra and causing problems for the world.

XFllo from Europe? Europe!
Nov 6th 2019 at 1:33:40 PM

[up] Could you include your arguments why you think it's an example of these tropes? Or why do you think it's problematic? Or do you think the tropes are too similar or duplicate even?

You should be able to say if it's an example just from reading the description of the trope and perhaps a couple of other examples.

I'm not familiar with either of the tropes, nor with the work... and somehow I don't feel like reading three articles because of the question.

If you phrase your question differently, perhaps people will chime in.

Edited by XFllo on Nov 6th 2019 at 11:50:50 AM

Dying Smirk (TLP draft)
Nov 6th 2019 at 3:32:15 PM

This has YMMV wicks in them to remove, but I'm not sure if the text itself is review-y or just being emphatic.

Leaning towards the former, given phrases like "tear-jerkingly".

BrokenAesop.Video Games:

Making this more difficult are that the two options are always either tear-jerkingly saccharine (repair and upgrade the damaged orphanage) or ludicrously evil (turn the orphanage into a brothel);

Edited by Malady on Nov 6th 2019 at 3:34:30 AM

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XFllo from Europe? Europe!
Nov 7th 2019 at 5:34:35 AM

I have a question to ask about Southern Belle. Could you guys check the Wrestling folder? It's now commented out on the page because... personally I don't see how any of these might be examples.

It doesn't mention the accent, dresses (or period-dress-inspired costumes), background... There isn't anything decidedly Southern. They don't explain how it would be a modern spin on this traditional trope. Then again, I know next to nothing about wrestling.

The most these examples do is mention the type, either good beauty or bad beauty like Bonne Belle and Mauvaise Belle mentioned in the description, but that's not enough IMO.

The first example has allusions to Gone with the Wind with names, but it could use more context.

    Pro Wrestling 
  • GLOW once featured a team called the Southern Belles. Their names were Scarlett and Tara.
  • Amber O'Neal, when not playing up her love of motor cycles or rap music, such as her WOW Women of Wrestling tag team "The All American Girls" with Santana Garrett, who is also from the South but more hippie than "Belle". While she's a "good girl" in WOW(where O'Neil's Face–Heel Turn involved turning on her roots and becoming "The Beverly Hills Babe" with Lana Star), she's usually of the bad beauty mold, especially after aligning with Bullet Club.
  • Krissy Vaine, with whom Amber teamed in Team Blondage, played this up in some gimmicks. She portrayed a prissy Alpha Bitch in DSW. In WSU she underwent a metamorphosis into enlightened New Age Princess Kristen Astara, but changed surprisingly little about her. She was still a bitchy Southern Belle when she got done meditating.
  • Lollipop often acted as a substitute for Vaine in Team Blondage, was kind of a "good" beauty who happened to bad things either because of her partner's bad influence or because her own sense of "fun" sometimes became a mischievous streak. GeeStar often acted as a substitute for O'Neal in Team Blondage was another usually "good" beauty easily influenced by her nefarious partner, or just sometimes failed to restrain her own love of scrapping.
  • Lady D's gimmick, being a classy lady who loved everyone and everything. Simply D'Vyne instead identifies with Philadelphia (and is a lot less loving)
  • Alexa Bliss was originally going to debut with this type of character. Her name was even thought up as a pun on the southern Stealth Insult "bless your heart". She worked a couple of live events playing the girlfriend of Scott Dawson, but had a completely different gimmick by the time she actually debuted.
  • Lacey Evans, to the point that her Red Baron on the main roster is "The Sassy Southern Belle". Openly Mauvaise, describing herself as knowing how to "curry favor" to get her way.

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