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Sep 20th 2019 at 5:32:16 PM

Forgot to mention that for fanfics, non-original Alliterative Names are gonna be wiped, given the TRS, but thank for that ruling!

Edited by Malady on Sep 20th 2019 at 5:34:39 AM

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dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Sep 20th 2019 at 7:58:45 PM

A few months ago, on Creator.Kirsten Dunst, I removed a Creator Backlash entry describing her dislike of Tom Holland's performances, since she didn't create any of the Spider-Man movies. However, Spidey ROX 812 put it back this month, with no explanation. Can it really stay?

wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Sep 20th 2019 at 8:55:01 PM

[up]Is there some reasonable interpretation under which she created Tom Holland's performance in that movie?

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:00:06 PM

I seriously doubt it, since I've never seen both actors in the same Spider-Man movie...

wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:23:10 PM

Then it's not Creator Backlash.

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
whizzerd Live, survive, adapt from Scotland Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Live, survive, adapt
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:01:02 AM

Can Follow in My Footsteps include examples where the child is more than happy to follow in the same career path as their parent? Or instances where it's the child that's eager to follow their parent's career path, rather than the parent being the one encouraging them?

For reference, the character pages for Astral Cabal contains multiple Follow in My Footsteps examples where the child is happy to follow their parent's occupation, or does so regardless of whether they were encouraged to or not, and in doing so discovers their natural talent in the field and become a Teen Genius (or, at the very least, a Genius Ditz).

"Forgive me, regent of queer amphibians" - Lt.BGob // goes by they/them, not he/him or she/her
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:14:14 AM

One-Word Title applies to subtitles as well?

Was going to get Idiosyncratic Episode Naming data for ComicBook.Princeless and found Princeless Volume 8: Princesses.

Edited by Malady on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:14:24 AM

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DelphineTheDelphox In my way... from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
In my way...
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:19:36 AM

I'm writing a story where the Big Bad is half-vampire/half-demon. I know she certainly counts as a Non-Human Humanoid Hybrid, but could she also count as a Dhampyr? Or does one have to specifically be half-human/half-vampire to qualify as a dhampyr?

Story by me.
Pichu-kun ...
...
Sep 21st 2019 at 7:50:13 AM

Is Barry's name in Pokémon Masters really a recursive nod to his anime counterpart? Everyone always assumed "Barry" comes from some in-company data, but the PM page here treats it as a Mythology Gag.

Crossover-Enthusiast F E A R from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
F E A R
Sep 21st 2019 at 9:04:35 AM

[up] Isn't one of the names you can choose for him in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum Barry?


The Cowboy Be Bop At His Computer section for Trivia.The Mysterious Mr Enter is huge. I wanted to run them by the thread considering how much misuse these types of tropes get, and even ones that could be considered "correct" still need an explanation on how easy it is to find the correct information.
  • Cowboy BeBop at His Computer: He points out a lot of these in his "Top 11 Screw-Ups video".
    • For an In-Universe example, one of the many things he criticized about the 1001 Games You Must Play Before You Die book was Garry's Mod being labelled a Role-Playing Game.
    • In his Bubsy review, he called it a ripoff of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, which did not air until the following year.
    • In his Q&A video, he used Planes as an example of Pixar Jumping the Shark, even though Planes (while Pixar creator John Lasseter's idea) was actually made by Disneytoon Studios, not Pixar.
    • He mistakenly complains in his "One Coarse Meal" review that whales don't eat plankton and that the only thing they eat is krill. Some whales, in fact do eat plankton (not ALL whales, of course, but krill is not the only thing that all whales ever eatnote ). He actually does bring up this point in his "Top 11 Worst Episodes Reviewed" video, admitting he did some research and yes, some whales do eat plankton. Then he points out that some whales also eat crabs, fish, and squid.
    • Also in his review of "One Coarse Meal", he claims that [SpongeBob] ruined Squidward's TV show in the episode "Tentacle-Vision". In the latter episode, [SpongeBob] actually wasn't at fault for Squidward's TV show being ruined: he was perfectly happy just being Squidward's soundman and didn't cause the other characters (Mr. Krabs, Sandy, Pearl, Plankton, and eventually everyone else in Bikini Bottom) to barge in and take it over.
    • In his review of The Hunchback of Notre Dame II, he mentions that Disney released over 30 Direct-to-Video sequels in the 2000s; while they were definitely being churned out in that time period, the number's not quite there.
    • In his Admirable Animations review of "A Kind Mamodo, Kolulu" he mentioned it takes place before Sherry and Brago appear. In actuality, the episode is three or four episodes after their debut appearance.
    • In his Cars 2 review, he questions why the oil rigs in the beginning of have gas flares and thinks they're not supposed to have them. In reality, the rigs are supposed to have the flares to burn off natural gas - although they're not supposed to be sticking up in the air.
      • He referenced in the "Twilight's Kingdom" review that he realized that he shouldn't be ranting about errors when he made one himself, playing a clip of the film's beginning.
    • In his "Top 11 Worst Episodes Reviewed" video, he mentions that Mr. Krabs has fired Squidward and SpongeBob before in "Can You Spare a Dime" and "Welcome to the Chum Bucket," respectively. However, neither scenario happened: Squidward quit after being accused of stealing by Krabs (though Krabs probably would've fired him anyway), and SpongeBob was forced to work at the Chum Bucket after Krabs bet SB's contract and lost it to Plankton.
    • In his "Fart Baby" review, he constantly mixes up the titular duo's names throughout the review. This didn't go without lampshading in later videos.
    • In his "Ren Seeks Help" review, he is dumbfounded when Ren's father is shown to be a Christian priest, claiming that priests (Catholic ones, at least) can't marry. While both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches do forbid their priests to marry, they do occasionally allow already married priests from other Catholic ritesnote  or other sects of Christianity to be ordained, so it's entirely possible for Ren's father to have converted after marrying Ren's mother. Also, clerical garb is also worn by Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Presbyterians, and other denominations with explicit priesthoods, and nothing in the scene specifically identifies him as Catholic.
    • In his "Arnold Betrays Iggy" review, he states that the city the show takes place in is Aron City and that it's based on New York City. In actuality, the city Hey Arnold! takes place in is named Hillwood and is a mix of many different cities in the Pacific Northwest, such as Seattle and Portland.
    • In his "Top 25 Most Disturbing Episodes" list the captions referred to "Life with Feathers" as a Silly Symphony, it's actually from Looney Tunes, something Mr. Enter correctly refers to it as.
    • In his "Pixel Pinkie" review, he criticizes the show for using a fake color, aubergine. It turns out that aubergine is a real color and it's a British term for eggplant. This is something that he later address in an update video.
      • Some people believe that this may been the result of mondegreen as he may have actually said "vague" instead of "fake".
    • At the end of his "Top 10 Worst Cartoons of the 2000's" list, the transition song is falsely credited to They Might Be Giants, when it was actually written by Stuart Hill and performed by Garrett Freireich. Somewhat justified as the song is often falsely credited to They Might Be Giants.
    • In his "Staring at the Future" review he finds the whole thing of Future Robin in a relationship with Batgirl to just be a stupid joke. It's actually a reference to the fact that Dick Grayson (the Robin featured in the show) and Barbara Gordon (the current Batgirl) have had relationships in the comics.
    • In his review of the My Life Me episode "The Pom Pom Girl", he claims that when people get angry in anime, the Cross-Popping Veins go on the side of the head, never the fist. It's actually very common in anime to have the veins on the fist. It represents someone having the urge to punch something or just plain getting angry.
    • In "Top 20 Worst Cartoon Theme Songs", he claims that dubbed OP of Rurouni Kenshin is unfitting for an action series. The song is actually almost the same in Japanese and, while there is a great deal of action, much of the series is about Kenshin trying to make a life for himself, which the song is supposed to be about. It doesn't help that Mr Enter admits that he knows nearly nothing about the series and judges the song anyway. That being said, this doesn't make his criticisms about the music not in any way matching the actual visuals in the opening or the singer's voice less legitimate.
    • In his "Grounded" review, he says that the Chief is voiced by the same guy who voices Cotton Hill. In actuality, they're voiced by two completely different actors (the former is voiced by Brian Doyle-Murray and the latter is voiced by Toby Huss).
    • At the end of his review of "The Big Switch-A-Roo", he refers to the Donkey Kong Country cartoon as Donkey Kong Country: Legend of the Crystal Coconut. This was actually the name of one episode, and later the name of a Direct-to-Video "movie" that was just a collection of random episodes ("Legend of the Crystal Coconut" being the first one).
    • He thinks that The Amazing World of Gumball episode "The Choices" was from the sixth season. It was actually the fifth, and season six hadn't aired at that time.
    • In the first half of his "Top 11 Worst Animation Cliches" list, he lists Back to the Future among films Steven Spielberg has directed. Simple research on the film clearly shows it was Robert Zemeckis who directed the film, with Spielberg just being the executive producer.
      • Additionally, Clayton from Tarzan and Smiler from The Emoji Movie are not examples of twist villains and are pretty clearly presented as the villain early on in the film. It's not just about a hidden agenda, whether there is a twist depends on how the movie presents the villain to the audience. He also erroneously referred to Long John Silver from Treasure Planet in the same section as "Jack Silver", even though he is one of the most well known fictional pirates of all time.
    • In his review of The Emoji Movie, he calls Just Dance a "DDR Clone", despite the fact that, outside of them both being dancing games, they're nothing alike.
    • In his review of Re-Animated, he mentions that Tom and Jerry are a Disney creation. They were actually created by William Hanna and Joseph Barbera and are currently owned by Warner Bros.
    • In his review of Robotboy, he attributes the show's animation software to Adobe Flash. The show was actually animated in ToonBoom.
    • In his reviews of The Fairly OddParents! episodes "Fairly Odd Pet" and "Certifiable Super Sitter", he says that Foop (or Anti-Poof) was introduced in season 8, despite the fact that Foop first appeared in season 7. In the former, he also claimed that Poof was introduced in season 7, despite being introduced in season 6 when the show was revived.
    • In his review of Cans Without Labels, he complains about the fact that one of George Liquor's lines is clearly spliced together from two different takes, arguing that given how long the cartoon took to produce, they should have had plenty of time to do another take of the line. Enter was apparently unaware that George Liquor's voice actor, Michael Pataki, died during production.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Sep 21st 2019 at 12:11:20 PM

I don't know what this thing is, and that terrifies me!
whizzerd Live, survive, adapt from Scotland Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Live, survive, adapt
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:01:02 AM

  • For an In-Universe example, one of the many things he criticized about the 1001 Games You Must Play Before You Die book was Garry's Mod being labelled a Role-Playing Game.
  • In his "Fart Baby" review, he constantly mixes up the titular duo's names throughout the review. This didn't go without lampshading in later videos.
  • In his review of Re-Animated, he mentions that Tom and Jerry are a Disney creation. They were actually created by William Hanna and Joseph Barbera and are currently owned by Warner Bros.
  • In the first half of his "Top 11 Worst Animation Cliches" list, he lists Back to the Future among films Steven Spielberg has directed. Simple research on the film clearly shows it was Robert Zemeckis who directed the film, with Spielberg just being the executive producer.
    These ones seems decent.

  • In his "Arnold Betrays Iggy" review, he states that the city the show takes place in is Aron City and that it's based on New York City. In actuality, the city Hey Arnold! takes place in is named Hillwood and is a mix of many different cities in the Pacific Northwest, such as Seattle and Portland.
    This one might be good. It depends on how blatant the city name and its influences are in HA.

  • In his Q&A video, he used Planes as an example of Pixar Jumping the Shark, even though Planes (while Pixar creator John Lasseter's idea) was actually made by Disneytoon Studios, not Pixar.
    Not sure about this one. Planes is a spinoff of a Pixar product and, as said in the example, was the idea of a Pixar creator. Googling it gets '2013 animated Pixar film'. Personally I don't think it's an egregious enough error to count for the trope.

  • He mistakenly complains in his "One Coarse Meal" review that whales don't eat plankton and that the only thing they eat is krill. Some whales, in fact do eat plankton (not ALL whales, of course, but krill is not the only thing that all whales ever eatnote ). He actually does bring up this point in his "Top 11 Worst Episodes Reviewed" video, admitting he did some research and yes, some whales do eat plankton. Then he points out that some whales also eat crabs, fish, and squid.
  • In his Cars 2 review, he questions why the oil rigs in the beginning of have gas flares and thinks they're not supposed to have them. In reality, the rigs are supposed to have the flares to burn off natural gas - although they're not supposed to be sticking up in the air.
    • He referenced in the "Twilight's Kingdom" review that he realized that he shouldn't be ranting about errors when he made one himself, playing a clip of the film's beginning.
  • In his "Ren Seeks Help" review, he is dumbfounded when Ren's father is shown to be a Christian priest, claiming that priests (Catholic ones, at least) can't marry. While both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches do forbid their priests to marry, they do occasionally allow already married priests from other Catholic ritesnote  or other sects of Christianity to be ordained, so it's entirely possible for Ren's father to have converted after marrying Ren's mother. Also, clerical garb is also worn by Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Presbyterians, and other denominations with explicit priesthoods, and nothing in the scene specifically identifies him as Catholic.
  • In his "Staring at the Future" review he finds the whole thing of Future Robin in a relationship with Batgirl to just be a stupid joke. It's actually a reference to the fact that Dick Grayson (the Robin featured in the show) and Barbara Gordon (the current Batgirl) have had relationships in the comics.
  • In his review of Robotboy, he attributes the show's animation software to Adobe Flash. The show was actually animated in ToonBoom.
    These all require more than passing knowledge of the subject matter. I say cut.

  • In his review of The Hunchback of Notre Dame II, he mentions that Disney released over 30 Direct-to-Video sequels in the 2000s; while they were definitely being churned out in that time period, the number's not quite there.
  • In his Admirable Animations review of "A Kind Mamodo, Kolulu" he mentioned it takes place before Sherry and Brago appear. In actuality, the episode is three or four episodes after their debut appearance.
  • Also in his review of "One Coarse Meal", he claims that [SpongeBob] ruined Squidward's TV show in the episode "Tentacle-Vision". In the latter episode, [SpongeBob] actually wasn't at fault for Squidward's TV show being ruined: he was perfectly happy just being Squidward's soundman and didn't cause the other characters (Mr. Krabs, Sandy, Pearl, Plankton, and eventually everyone else in Bikini Bottom) to barge in and take it over.
  • In his "Top 11 Worst Episodes Reviewed" video, he mentions that Mr. Krabs has fired Squidward and SpongeBob before in "Can You Spare a Dime" and "Welcome to the Chum Bucket," respectively. However, neither scenario happened: Squidward quit after being accused of stealing by Krabs (though Krabs probably would've fired him anyway), and SpongeBob was forced to work at the Chum Bucket after Krabs bet SB's contract and lost it to Plankton.
  • In "Top 20 Worst Cartoon Theme Songs", he claims that dubbed OP of Rurouni Kenshin is unfitting for an action series. The song is actually almost the same in Japanese and, while there is a great deal of action, much of the series is about Kenshin trying to make a life for himself, which the song is supposed to be about. It doesn't help that Mr Enter admits that he knows nearly nothing about the series and judges the song anyway. That being said, this doesn't make his criticisms about the music not in any way matching the actual visuals in the opening or the singer's voice less legitimate.
  • In his "Grounded" review, he says that the Chief is voiced by the same guy who voices Cotton Hill. In actuality, they're voiced by two completely different actors (the former is voiced by Brian Doyle-Murray and the latter is voiced by Toby Huss).
  • At the end of his review of "The Big Switch-A-Roo", he refers to the Donkey Kong Country cartoon as Donkey Kong Country: Legend of the Crystal Coconut. This was actually the name of one episode, and later the name of a Direct-to-Video "movie" that was just a collection of random episodes ("Legend of the Crystal Coconut" being the first one).
  • He thinks that The Amazing World of Gumball episode "The Choices" was from the sixth season. It was actually the fifth, and season six hadn't aired at that time.
  • Additionally, Clayton from Tarzan and Smiler from The Emoji Movie are not examples of twist villains and are pretty clearly presented as the villain early on in the film. It's not just about a hidden agenda, whether there is a twist depends on how the movie presents the villain to the audience. He also erroneously referred to Long John Silver from Treasure Planet in the same section as "Jack Silver", even though he is one of the most well known fictional pirates of all time.
  • In his reviews of The Fairly OddParents! episodes "Fairly Odd Pet" and "Certifiable Super Sitter", he says that Foop (or Anti-Poof) was introduced in season 8, despite the fact that Foop first appeared in season 7. In the former, he also claimed that Poof was introduced in season 7, despite being introduced in season 6 when the show was revived.
  • In his review of the My Life Me episode "The Pom Pom Girl", he claims that when people get angry in anime, the Cross-Popping Veins go on the side of the head, never the fist. It's actually very common in anime to have the veins on the fist. It represents someone having the urge to punch something or just plain getting angry.
    These all seem like nitpicking minor slip-ups. Also voting to cut.

  • At the end of his "Top 10 Worst Cartoons of the 2000's" list, the transition song is falsely credited to They Might Be Giants, when it was actually written by Stuart Hill and performed by Garrett Freireich. Somewhat justified as the song is often falsely credited to They Might Be Giants.
    As noted, this is apparently a common mistake- and again, is a minor one. Voting for cut.

  • In his "Top 25 Most Disturbing Episodes" list the captions referred to "Life with Feathers" as a Silly Symphony, it's actually from Looney Tunes, something Mr. Enter correctly refers to it as.
    Are the captions made by Mr. Enter? Either way, he does get it correct, so even if he did make the captions this just seems like a simple mistake rather than a failure to do basic research. Cut.

  • In his Bubsy review, he called it a ripoff of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, which did not air until the following year.
  • In his review of The Emoji Movie, he calls Just Dance a "DDR Clone", despite the fact that, outside of them both being dancing games, they're nothing alike.
    These ones depend on context. Is he calling them rip-offs just to be hyperbolic, or does he genuinely believe it?

  • In his review of Cans Without Labels, he complains about the fact that one of George Liquor's lines is clearly spliced together from two different takes, arguing that given how long the cartoon took to produce, they should have had plenty of time to do another take of the line. Enter was apparently unaware that George Liquor's voice actor, Michael Pataki, died during production.
  • In his "Pixel Pinkie" review, he criticizes the show for using a fake color, aubergine. It turns out that aubergine is a real color and it's a British term for eggplant. This is something that he later address in an update video.
    • Some people believe that this may been the result of mondegreen as he may have actually said "vague" instead of "fake".
      Not sure about these ones.

"Forgive me, regent of queer amphibians" - Lt.BGob // goes by they/them, not he/him or she/her
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:17:55 AM

Regarding my query here, I ended up removing the entry while linking back to this thread.

For those who chimed in with their opinions, thank you for your input.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:58:17 AM

It seems like a good number of MrEnter Cowboy BeBop at His Computer examples above were simply moved from Critical Research Failure. I'll comment on each in a bit.

To comment on each, having had experience with seeing people criticize MrEnter:

  • The In-Universe example should be moved to the main page.
  • The Bubsy example is fine, and that is not hyperbole on the troper's end.
  • Planes can stay. Even if it is a common error, it's still a case of "did not do the research" that a quick look on Wikipedia would have told you otherwise. See also All Animation Is Disney.
  • The "One Course Meal" example is not about fiction like Cowboy BeBop at His Computer is supposed to be, nor about basic knowledge like Critical Research Failure. This probably what probably would have been on Did Not Do The Research years ago, added by tropers who forgot that was an index. I can't say this could fall under Artistic License – Biology either, since these reviews aren't truly artistic to begin with. Just cut it or move it elsewhere, especially since Enter acknowledged his error.
  • The "Tentacle Vision" example from the "One Coarse Meal" video seems like Cowboy BeBop at His Computer, but it feels less like objective "anyone could have looked this up" information so much as someone who knows the work disputing the review.
  • The one of Disney's Direct-to-Video sequel production in the 2000s is mostly fine, assuming that Enter meant thirty as a hard number and not figuratively. Knowing his personality, either interpretation is reasonable.
  • The "Kolulu" review (by the way, it would help if the series name was spelled out rather than potholed in the episode's name) is the same as "Tentacle Vision".
  • The Cars 2 example is in the same situation as the "whales don't eat plankton" example above, complete with recognizing the error.
  • The "Top 11 Worst Episodes Reviewed" example is another case of "possibly valid, but only egregious to those who closely follow the work".
  • "Fart Baby" seems fine, I guess. The lampshading helps, assuming we can list that on Trivia pages, which do not get Played With.
  • "Ren Seeks Help" is about real life and involves more in-depth knowledge. The phrasing that reads "this could have happened" is making me feel uneasy, too.
  • "Arnold Betrays Iggy" is within the bounds of the trope, but feels like only fans and staff members working on the show would know this.
  • "Top 25 Most Disturbing Episodes": do you mean the YouTube captions that anyone can edit, or text within the video itself?
  • "Pixel Pinkie" is left over from CRF with acknowledgement.
  • The TMBG example is keepable, but Justified Trope can only apply In-Universe.
  • "Staring at the Future" feels too much like in-depth nitpicking.
  • The My Life Me example is not about a work of fiction so much as a trope.
  • "Top 20 Worst Cartoon Theme Songs", in order, has a keepable comment, a fan-made rebuttal, and natter after that point.
  • The Donkey Kong example is keepable, I think? It's about the title, which shouldn't be too hard to find, but strikes me as an "only fans care" thing...
  • The Gumball example is keepable, perhaps.
  • "Top 11 Worst Animation Cliches" involves bad example indentation, but ignoring that:
    • The Back to the Future example is fine.
    • The mention of Clayton and Tarzan seems fine at first, but the next sentence is a barely-comprehensible mess that I have to question. I think it's trying to say that having a hidden agenda is not the same as Evil All Along, but I'm lost on what "whether there is a twist depends on how the movie presents the villain to the audience" is supposed to mean.
    • The "Long John Silver" example is fine.
  • The "DDR clone" example is conceptually OK, but could use elaboration to explain the differences between Just Dance and Dance Dance Revolution.
  • The Tom and Jerry example is definitely keepable, but the word "are" should be replaced with "is" since it's a single work.
  • Robotboy is keepable.
  • The FOP examples can be kept, if only because he seems to know the show too well to screw this up.
  • Cans Without Labels should be deleted, as the apparent Fake Shemp action could still be considered jarring regardless of whether or not you know his voice actor died during production.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:39:29 PM

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 21st 2019 at 11:51:01 AM

I don't really think this After the End applies to Dororo since I don't believe there's focus on things being better before, and Crapsack World is already listed.

  • After the End: As a pacifist in the humanistic sense, Tezuka did his best to depict how hellish the "Warring States" period would realistically be... and wow does this trope ever apply.
    • In short, it doesn't take much dressing up for the world of the original Dororo manga to look like a post-nuclear wasteland (to the point that you could probably fool a new reader into thinking that that was the case). At the end of the day, whether the weapons of choice are swords and spears or atomic bombs, war... war never changes.

Edited by rjd1922 on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:52:07 PM

Steel be with you.
Sep 21st 2019 at 2:37:42 PM

YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 9 E 21 Daring Doubt

  • Ass Pull: The reveal Ahuizotl is actually a benevolent guardian feels like this for some, as it's completely at odds with how he's acted and been portrayed in every form of media before this.
  • Shocking Swerve: Many feel this way about Ahuizotl being Good All Along, as it's so completely against how he's been portrayed in every other form of media and the show itself that it seems to only exist for the sake of a plot twist.

This is complaining about the same thing twice, so which of the two fits best? I'd say Shocking Swerve since it's twists that are contrived even if they were foreshadowed which seems to be the complaint here, as opposed to Ass Pull which is lack of foreshadowing.

Sep 21st 2019 at 3:52:32 PM

I go with shocking swerve.

Gacha Is A Lie.
DelphineTheDelphox In my way... from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
In my way...
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:56:30 PM

Can I please get some input for this post?

[down][down] All right. Thanks!

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:20:13 AM

Story by me.
Pichu-kun ...
...
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:19:32 PM

Barry is one of Barry's names, but it wasn't a Canon Name until the anime used it.

Sep 21st 2019 at 5:13:11 PM

[up][up] Vampire-human hybrid.

Sep 21st 2019 at 5:21:14 PM

Do the following examples from Sarah Z look like they have enough context?:

  • Caustic Critic: Sarah herself averts this trope but in her video titled "Bad Media Criticism", she demonstrates how the overuse of the trope can lead to nitpicking in place of actual critique.
  • Death of the Author: In-universe: Discussed extensively in her video on J. K. Rowling and authorial intent.

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:24:21 PM

^ Death of the Author definitely needs more context.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Sep 21st 2019 at 8:12:02 PM

CharacterDerailment.Video Games

  • Erol in the Jak and Daxter series starts out as The Dragon to Baron Praxis, Jak's opponent in Haven City's races and his rival for Keira's affection. He seemingly dies when he tries to run Jak down with his vehicle, only to crash into a large stash of Eco and explode. Sure, he may already have been evil in that game, but in the next game, he returns from the dead as a cybernetic Omnicidal Maniac who wants to Take Over the World. Though it could be argued his sudden character change from Jak 2 to Jak 3 might be due to either suffering serious head trauma from the accident(half his head is missing!), the dark eco he crashed into badly affected his mind like what it did to Gol and Maia Acheron or the Dark Makers were actually using him as a puppet and had some kind of control over him. Unfortunately the game never gives us an explanation to why Erol's sudden change in character and Jak kills him for good right at the end so we never get to know.

Is it really unexplained if he's been through such a clear sanity destroying event? Half the entry argues it's explainable by the circumstance. I believe Came Back Wrong is a separate trope as it explain the change?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:15:29 AM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
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Sep 22nd 2019 at 2:16:38 AM

Quick question regarding Shin Sakura Wars. In the teaser trailer and the first episode preview, Sakura Amamiya says "This is the moment where our fates awaken!" Do those count as Arc Words?

Edited by gjjones on Sep 22nd 2019 at 5:32:19 AM

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Sep 22nd 2019 at 6:02:38 AM

Can a character be an idiot hero while not actually being dumb? I'm currently writing a story with a protagonist that basically acts like Naruto due to having no social skills and being impulsive but they have genius level intelligence, not even book dumb, more of a Ditzy Genius hero that plays a shonen idiot hero role. Is this Square Peg, Round Trope

Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:24:52 AM

[up][up]I admittedly know nothing about the series, so I don't know if those words are repeated in other games. With that being said, I'd abstain on putting that up as an example, because Arc Words are supposed to have some sort of explanation for their repeated appearances, and I kind of doubt said explanation is out there around this time.


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