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Aug 21st 2019 at 2:07:54 PM

Another "is this Fake Difficulty" post: if a game required you to destroy a wall to get through a level or otherwise progress but gave no indication (in-game or in the manual) that it was even possible to destroy walls or other pieces of architecture would this count?

Aug 21st 2019 at 2:39:37 PM

Reposting from the previous page:

Is the following example from YMMV.Dumbledores Army And The Year Of Darkness being used correctly?:

  • Vindicated by History: This books portrayal of Snape was initially considered to be a blatant case of Flanderization, in the years since then, there has been a growing number of readers (Dominic Noble being a noteworthy example.) who see Snape as an iredeemably abusive and sadistic incel who tormented children and was willing to subject a man to a Fate Worse than Death because his childhood crush never chose him, with JKR being criticised for trying to whitewash Snape's abuses and treating his stalker like behaviour as "love". So for those readers, this book's portrayal comes across as less "Ron the Death Eater" and more "What would happen if Snape's pattern of abuse was followed to it's logical conclusion and not swept under the rug last minute for the sake of a plot twist?"

Should note that the troper who added the example also added a third-level bulletpoint natter to the Ron the Death Eater Example:

  • Severus Snape, who in the books was a very, very effective Reverse Mole who through all his sadist teaching legitimately tried to protect as many students as possible from the Death Eaters, is here shown to thoroughly enjoy his position as Death Eater-appointed Headmaster of Hogwarts; he attempts to assassinate Neville, hires the former Dragon to Grindelwald as school disciplinarian, and when a Slytherin student defects to the good guys it's strongly implied he has the boy's entire family killed. He still turns out to be a mole here, but this is simply treated as the final insult; that someone so horrible could still be remembered as a hero simply for nominally siding against someone even worse. This essay by the author interpreting him as an unrepentant sociopath looking for an excuse to murder and torture students. Even considering that he's a rather unpleasant Sadist Teacher in the books, the logic taken to reach this conclusion is... somewhat debatable given the textual evidence. Especially since Word of God from Rowling indicates that Snape often shielded students from more severe punishment at the hands of the Carrows.
    • That said, this portrayal of Snape has become far more popular in recent years. See Vindicated by History below

Aug 21st 2019 at 2:39:41 PM

[up][up] Guide Dang It!?

Edited by Tabs on Aug 21st 2019 at 2:41:08 AM

Aug 21st 2019 at 2:47:06 PM

It probably probably closer to Guide Dang It!.

wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Aug 21st 2019 at 4:05:25 PM

re: Vindicated by History: ... ... ... No. No. I'm calling a big no.

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Take my revolution!
Aug 21st 2019 at 4:12:55 PM

Yeah, I've unfortunately read DAYD, and it portraying Snape as irredeemably evil for no reason is different from people going "Snape was kind of a creep" now

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The googly-eyed monstrosity
Aug 21st 2019 at 4:18:30 PM

It's blatant complaining, as well.

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Alola to all of you!
Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:14:57 AM

In the game Castlevania: Lament of Innocence, the Big Bad as an immensely powerful vampire lord named Walter Bernhard, who ultimately is revealed to be the Predecessor Villain to the birth of Dracula. Could Walter be considered an example of Tom the Dark Lord? It's an incredibly unimpressive name today, but the game did take place in the Eleventh Century, so I'm not sure if the standards were different then.

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Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:25:36 AM

[up] At Wikipedia...

Word/name: Old High German
Meaning: Ruler of the army

I think unless someone on the dev team has said that they chose the name because it doesn't sound menacing, it's not an example of Tom the Dark Lord.

Edit: "they" as in the writers. "Ruler of the army" sounds like a pretty great name to me.

Edited by Tabs on Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:36:36 AM

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Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:27:50 AM

[up] By "them", do we mean the characters or the authors/writers?

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Alola to all of you!
Aug 22nd 2019 at 11:01:27 AM

Wow, in that case the name is actually rather fitting. Thanks!

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He-Who-Must-Be-Named
Aug 22nd 2019 at 4:42:15 PM

From Winds of Destiny, Change. Should this be in Tabletop Games? It doesn't state a specific game, and Examples Are Not General.

According to some supplemental material the Lovecraftian god Nyarlathotep seems to have the ability to tweak probabilities to go to his favor, although it only seems to apply to small-scale stuff. His real power is being a Shapeshifter Chessmaster (and, you know, a god).

Edited by pikachu17 on Aug 22nd 2019 at 4:42:29 AM

17 pikachus all in a row.
Aug 22nd 2019 at 7:51:34 PM

From So Bad, It's Good

The butchered versions of The Thief and the Cobbler, specifically the Miramax version. Half-hearted attempts at Disneyfication, dated Award-Bait Song-ridden musical numbers, dialogue dubbed over characters intended to be silent, and sloppy filler animation interlaced with Richard Williams' much more fluid and detailed original work. Yeah.

Does this count? I haven't seen it, but from the way the example is written, and what I've heard, it leans more towards So Bad Its Horrible

Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:02:57 PM

I mean, maybe it's an example, but the example text as written doesn't make a good case for it.

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He-Who-Must-Be-Named
Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:15:48 AM

From CriticalRole's Ho Yay page. Isn't actually having two characters kiss not an example?

  • Reani scoots next to Beau after having shared a lot of wine and as she druidcrafts a rose for her:
    Marisha: (to the DM) I [as Beau] take the back of her neck and I kiss her.
    Mica: Reani definitely responds!

Edited by pikachu17 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:17:09 AM

17 pikachus all in a row.
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Geronimo!
Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:11:26 AM

Ho Yay is dependent on subtext. If it becomes a textual relationship, the trope does not apply.

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He-Who-Must-Be-Named
Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:15:26 AM

^ Okay, I'm going to use that as the edit reason. Hope you don't mind.

17 pikachus all in a row.
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Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:39:29 PM

Could you do Nice, Mean, and In-Between for the three female characters on the good side in Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus? (Sigrun would be the nice, Grace would be the mean, and Anya in between. I'll explain more if I make an entry on it.)

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I am having much enjoyment!
Aug 23rd 2019 at 5:31:44 PM

i asked in Trope Finder, but to get more eyes on it, ill ask here as well: we have Unusable Enemy Equipment for when enemies have weapons that the player can't use. can this stretch to cover character classes that only enemies have access to? the specific ones im thinking of are from Fire Emblem: Three Houses, where Thales has the unique Agastya class, and the Death Knight is a... Death Knight.

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Aug 24th 2019 at 2:37:43 AM

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I think based on existing examples on Nice, Mean, and In-Between that those three fit.

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Aug 24th 2019 at 9:47:01 AM

From Audience-Coloring Adaptation:

  • The first four Scooby-Doo live-action films portraying Fred as a Jerk Jock-type character seems to have affected his public perception, particularly among audience members that had/did not have previous exposure to Scooby-Doo material (his defining trait in the original series was just being The Leader and a Nice Guy).

Is this accurate? I've never seen any parodies, comics, or whatever that depict Fred as a jerk. He's always a bumbling moron or a Nice Guy,

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Aug 24th 2019 at 11:54:39 AM

So, I recently removed a bunch of examples from Star Control page for a variety of reasons. One of them, describing an alien race known as Xraki reads as follows:

  • Omnicidal Maniac: Hate all "Ordered" races and want to feed them to the Forerunners, "Ordered" races being everyone who does not worship the Forerunners.

I do not think the aliens in question qualify as omnicidal maniacs, as they have no desire to actually destroy the universe, just to murder and eat everyone who disagrees with their religious views. A troper has messaged me arguing that this does count as an example of the trope since Xraki ultimately wish to devour pretty much everyone. I have my doubts now, so I'm asking here.

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razorrozar7 I am having much enjoyment! from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I am having much enjoyment!
Aug 24th 2019 at 12:04:25 PM

im not familiar with the work, but if they're the only race that worships the Forerunners, and thus functionally do want to kill everyone else in the universe, then i think it qualifies. that should be noted in the example, though; as written it implies there are other races that worship the Forerunners which they would leave alone, in which case it doesn't apply.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
Aug 24th 2019 at 12:20:16 PM

It is also to be noted it's not so much worship as it is being brainwashed by an extradimensional entity, which I think are actually called "The Gluttonous Eyes" Forerunners are what the Xraki call what they sent ahead to scout stuff in our dimension out, it's hard to figure out exactly what they are talking about since their speech patterns are very esoteric. So that I would change. Also there is no dialogue that implies that any other races were effected. I would definetly consider them omnicidal maniacs.

Edited by tarponpet on Aug 24th 2019 at 12:23:09 PM

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