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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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- Did the scene get removed in an update or something?
As far as I know, the scene's been removed from the game entirely since the official release. It's replacement can be seen below. (14:00 for credits, 17:00 for epilogue.)
Also, the reason why she looks different is because she has a dye equipped. by default, she has the same outfit as before.
People were reflecting on School Swimsuit and it became apparent there was no clear consensus on what the trope is even about, that's why the discussion petered out. You can't figure out whether an example fits a trope when you can't even agree on what the trope is.
So, what now? Do I just leave my entry as-is? 'Cause as far as I'm aware, a lot of clothing-related tropes, including School Swimsuit, can essentially be boiled down to "someone wears this at some point", there's no way to further define a trope like that.
Edited by Gofastmike on Aug 15th 2019 at 6:08:21 AM
Yeah, just leave it as is. If the trope is valid as it's currently used, then your example is fine. If it needs to go through Trope Repair Shop, then all the examples would need to be re-evaluated (or cut, if the trope ends up being cut), not just yours.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
For the record, the "character wears this clothing item" thing is the reason I have such an issue with costume tropes. They suffer for the same reason appearance tropes do (and if you're unfamiliar with the situation there, Mike, the long story short is that appearance tropes were deemed ZCE magnets and now have an entire thread dedicated to cleaning them). Any meaning gets lost in the sea of "character has x trait" or "character wears x". My concern was that this issue made it genuinely impossible for me to tell whether or not your example was valid, and impossible for me to help you make it any better- especially after HighCrate claimed the trope was about fanservice.
So, yeah, leave it for now. When the trope gets looked at more closely, we'll figure out what to do.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
FWIW, "school uniform swimsuit used for fanservice" was just the closest I could come to finding an actual trope in the trope description instead of just "this article of clothing exists."
I would have no problem if we decided that wasn't tropeworthy enough.
Edited by HighCrate on Aug 15th 2019 at 4:52:10 AM
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I know I had to DM WarJay about what I feared were Zero-Context Examples born of splitting general-ish examples on Blonde, Brunette, Redhead.
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Well, by that logic, Badass Longcoat can be read as "Large coat = character is a badass." Same difference.
I however, would not want the "Fanservice trio", or any other costume tropes, to be completely cut simply because they're not descriptive enough. By that logic, we'd have a Catch-22 Dilemma in which they're common enough to be notable, but not common enough be something you'd see every day.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
And that's the problem exactly. The trope is there, the examples are just...not well explained. Classic Trope Decay, assuming the trope wasn't "character wears item" to begin with. Another example of this is Fingerless Gloves.
Anyway, let's not go on another tangent here. At some point it may be worth bringing these to TRS with a wick check, but that'll be another day.
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:17:28 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The "badass" tropes have their own problems, since there's no consensus standard for what, specifically, constitutes "a badass."
Or at least there wasn't the last time I checked in on that particular cleanup thread. They may have made progress since then.
Edited by HighCrate on Aug 15th 2019 at 5:22:50 AM
Okay, yeah, the thing from VideoGame.A Hat In Time was the beta ending, as seen here:
https://youtu.be/XEjlE0VcDG0?t=148
...
How do we deal with tropes and beta builds? I think VideoGame.Yandere Simulator is one of the outliers, with public testing builds??
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You can trope it, just mention in the example that it's from the beta.
Well, I think our discussion has already been answered. Look what I found hidden in the game's main page:
%%Note: As per the discussion thread for the game, please don't add in tropes specific for the pre-release of the game, like the Alpha / Beta, unless it's relevant to a trope that IS in the game.%%
And the thread in question:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=VideoGame.AHatInTime#comment-108200
Edited by Gofastmike on Aug 15th 2019 at 12:22:43 PM
I think I'd disagree with that thread comment, myself. On the Overwatch discussion page, consensus seemed to be not to delete examples that formerly applied.
Edited by Twiddler on Aug 15th 2019 at 9:46:35 AM
That doesn't seem right, removing information...
Need to look up any precedent, and stuff.
Too late today, TTYL.
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (IDW) Issue 34 to 37
- Adaptational Intelligence: This Sombra lacks the Bond Villain Stupidity and Smug Snake aspects of his Season 9 portrayal. Instead — he retains his original No-Nonsense, even being willing to help the Villain Team-Up in the process (unlike his Season 9 portrayal — who stubbornly refused to commit to similar Pragmatic Villainy, which ultimately led to his Deader than Dead fate). In fact — when Rabia and the other Umbrum eventually succumb to Stupid Evil, Sombra is the only one to invoke Why Don't Ya Just Shoot Him?.
Does it count as adaptation if it predates the portrayal it's "adapting" or retroactively made adaptational by virtue of being decanonized? Is there some other trope?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:21:46 PM
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Pichu-kun deleted the Zootopia example from Racist Grandma with the edit reason "Removed a deleted scene example for being What Could Have Been". I thought examples from deleted scenes were allowed on trope pages.
Edited by rjd1922 on Aug 16th 2019 at 12:53:39 PM
Keet cleanup
He-Who-Must-Be-Named
^ I think that should be put up on Ask The Tropers. You might want to mention there you don't want to start an edit war with this, which is why are asking there.
17 pikachus all in a row.
He-Who-Must-Be-Named
From the Base Raiders page. Trying to fix stuff from a problematic troper. Are any of these okay, and if not, do I change it or just plain delete it?
- Badass Normal : Entirely possible by not taking powers and instead Unique skills
- Brought Down to Normal : Potentially what Ragnarok was meant to do or what the government is now attempting
- Cape Busters : One of the earliest supplements is a FBI agent whose job is just that
- Superhero Tropes: Basically all the super tropes apply from the various supplements, the canon lore, along with the Heroes of New Arcadia
Edited by pikachu17 on Aug 16th 2019 at 11:08:32 AM
17 pikachus all in a row.
Lost in Space
Blegh. That's quite a mess of shoehorning, speculation, and zero context. It's so bad that I don't see anything salvageable.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
He-Who-Must-Be-Named
^ Do you mean the tropes, or the page?
17 pikachus all in a row.
Lost in Space
Those examples. I haven't looked at the article itself.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Two things I'd like to mention:
Edited by Gofastmike on Aug 15th 2019 at 9:08:50 AM