Is this an example?

From Saturday Supercade:

• Alternate Character Interpretation:
  • You'd have a hard time believing that this show's version of Mario is the same as the character he is now.
  • The need to apply plots to games that didn't really have any led to a lot of this. Whose idea was it that Frogger was a journalist, and Coily was a greaser?

I was going to delete these examples on sight but I want to make sure they're incorrect first. I've seen Alternative Character Interpretation used on several pages for canonical interpretations. That's not valid, right? For example, on Pokemon's page:

• The Pokémon franchise has a lot of canonical Alternate Character Interpretation, considering the number of Alternate Continuities that exist with varying Adaptation Personality Changes. Compare May from the anime with Sapphire from Pokémon Adventures. Despite being polar opposites, they are both based on the same character from the original games.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jun 24th 2019 at 5:15:59 AM

That is correct. The trope is about fan interpretations and must cite specific fics in which the interpretation occurs.

From YMMV.Neon Genesis Evangelion.

• Wangst: This is a common complaint about the show, especially about Shinji himself. Of course, opinions on whether the characters have justified reasons for their angst are subjective, like other things on the show. Shinji is a very special case when it comes to Wangst designation, in that people agree that the amount of Shinji's angst is completely justified considering what happens to him, but they still find it excessive anyway. Asuka also gets stuck with the same situation, and it seems to be one of the more inevitable consequences of having a Dysfunction Junction series with such a high Dysfunction/Instability quotient that it's a wonder any of the characters can actually function at all.

Should Wangst really be used for a person who went through crap through out the series which include seeing his mom get caught in a explosion, being abandoned by his father, fighting monsters, and going through plenty of emotional torment?

I've never seen an example that cites specific fan-works. I don't tbink that's a requirement for the trope.

From Watchmen (2019):

• Take That, Audience!: The first teaser depicts a group of men wearing Rorschach masks as violent, cop-murdering Right Wing Militia Fanatics, a direct potshot at the notorious group of fans who think Rorschach is invokedsomeone to be idolized.

This strikes me as a bit of a stretch. It seems like a natural continuation of the plot of the original work to me, not necessarily a direct reference to audience reactions.

that's a valid example. Shinji is an angsty boy, and just because he has reason to be doesn't mean his angst can't be annoying.

Edited by Yinyang107 on Jun 24th 2019 at 11:32:20 AM

Reposting from the previous page:

In episode 9 of the Netflix dub for Neon Genesis Evangelion, Asuka gives off a hearty "You look like you drowned shit!" as she points to Shinji's crashed Unit 01 during the aftermath of their first battle.

Since this is a TV-14 show, does that count as Precision F-Strike?

Also in that episode, there's a DHL moving truck as well as DHL boxes. Fittingly enough, they're based in Germany, where Asuka was born. Throughout the series, Yebisu beer makes a prominent appearance. Do those examples count as Product Placement?

For Precision F-Strike, the show's rating is less important the the show's/character's propensity for swearing.

Does the show and/or Asuka have a habit of swearing? If so, the it's not an example since it's one swear among many. If they don't, or otherwise go out of their way to avoid it, then yes it's an example.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 24th 2019 at 11:32:03 AM

Asuka often utters profanity in the series, whether its in German or English. For example, she yells "What the hell?!" in the Netflix dub of episode 11, as well as "Verdammt!" in both the ADV dub of episode 8 and the Netflix dub of episode 9. So that's Not An Example for Precision F-Strike after all.

I'm inclined to agree. The idea behind Precision F-Strike is that it's uncharacteristic of the show and/or the character. Like O.O.C. Is Serious Business, the fact that the cursing is happening at all is what makes the trope.

Saw this on YMMV.Toy Story 3, and in the movie Ken is Camp Straight and makes a Heel–Face Turn after falling in love with Barbie. (Also it's by Pixar, not Disney.)

• Values Dissonance: Most of the humour centred around Ken is that he's made a Butt-Monkey for his lack of "traditional masculinity" and both the heroes and villains show discomfort around him. Its yet another example of Disney queercoding its villains.

That's clear shoehorning to complain about an element the troper dislikes. Values Dissonance requires some sort of distance (usually a period of time, sometimes between cultures or languages) between the work and modern audiences.

This isn't a work from a different time or place. It's a contemporary film with an element the troper found objectionable. Not An Example.

Agreed, cut that. It could possibly go under Unfortunate Implications if it had a source.

Is it me or do none of the Locked Out of the Loop examples on War of the Realms fit the definition of the trope - (Everyone knows a deep, dark secret about a character... Except the character themselves.)

• Locked Out of the Loop:
  • Zig-zagged to hell and back. Despite being the big finale to the Myth Arc and involving Earth, not every title is getting involved, which sticks with Marvel's desire not to enact such big plots with massive tie-ins. For instance, while the X-Men are involved, they are attached to a three issue mini-series leaving the other titles free for Age of X-Man (which involves almost every mutant in the Marvel world trapped in an alternate, utopian reality created by X-Man) and its aftermath.
  • An interesting case involves Venom, with both Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote acting separately under that moniker — Donny Cates' Venom #12 having ended with the symbiote realizing it's been a terrible partner to Eddie and them going their separate ways. Eddie tricks one of Malekith's war-witches into giving him an artificial symbiote; while the Venom symbiote joins the War Avengers and is captured by Malekith, who tries to turn it into his own version of All-Black. In Issue #14, Eddie even outright states he has no clue what's going on.
  • Carnage — who himself has his own event happening right after War of the Realms ends — has been travelling around the United States hunting past and present symbiote hosts. It was acknowledged on Twitter that North America being glaciated into New Jotunheim would put a crimp in this crusade, but no indication has been given that we'll see him doing anything about it.

So, for Underwear of Power, would it count if the character was only in their underwear and nothing else, instead of it just being "costume that makes it look like you're wearing no pants/it looks like you're wearing your underwear on the outside"?

From YMMV.Batman Hush

• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: As with The Death of Superman before it, fans who had hoped for a completely faithful adaptation couldn't comprehend the number of changes that failed to live up to their expectations (the use of the Rebirth art style, Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill not reprising their roles as Batman and Joker as rumored and Tim Drake being replaced by Damian Wayne).

Only two examples can be seen as legit example, Damien beimg used and not Tim and use of Rebirth style. Though, i honestly don't know what they mean if it base on the Rebirth line. However, saying someone is not voicing someone is pure complaining. Though, overall, it reads like its complaining.

I believe this example on The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is invalid since these are just sprites animated to look like 3D polygons: I don't believe the SNES even supported 3D models without the Super FX chip.

• Sprite/Polygon Mix: The Triforce in the intro is made of polygons, as are the crystals in which the maidens are imprisoned.

The SNES was capable of polygons without the Super FX chip. Look up a game called Faceball 2000. It looks like garbage and runs at about 5 fps, but that game is nothing BUT polygons.

Rotating a couple of polygons with no textures and virtually nothing else taxing the system was well within the SNES' capabilities.

From Main.Fighting Irish:

• The Netflix redubbing of Neon Genesis Evangelion gives Asuka Langley Sohryu an Irish accent courtesy of her new voice actress Stephanie McKeon. All other elements of the trope (Fiery Redhead et al) were part of her character from day one and McKeon even keeps Asuka's (unfortunately lessened, in comparison to Tiffany Grant's) use of German highly fluent.

As some of us who have watched that dub may recall, Asuka's new actor is Irish and appropriately enough, gives her an Irish accent. However, Asuka's heritage is German, American and Japanese.

So, is it a true example? If not, should we cut it?

Edited by gjjones on Jun 24th 2019 at 12:18:29 PM

I would say no, since Fighting Irish seems to be about characters with Irish descent, not voice actors.

Edited by WhirlRX on Jun 24th 2019 at 12:20:00 PM

Good call. I've cut the example out, as well as the one regarding Fujimoto (even though Liam Neeson is from Northern Ireland, the character is not Irish).

Can I remove the handheld ports examples (see here) from Video Game Demake?

Gjjones@ On Asuka speaking Irish, is it a noticeable thickness for Misplaced Accent?

If I found some signs that NBC canned Bye Bye Birdie Live!, but no outright confirmation, can I still give it a What Could Have Been entry on the Trivia page?