Is this an example?

From Anime.Neon Genesis Evangelion

• Power of Friendship: Deconstructed, in that while Shinji, Asuka, and Rei either have dead mothers or no mother at all, in the case of Rei, the three of them do not seem to want to comfort or form a surrogate family with each other to compensate for their dead or non-existent mothers. Nor were they willing to work together as an actual team in defeating angels. On the contrary, they would have rather that they push themselves as far away from each other as possible in order to deal with their psychological problems without them interfering with each other, as demonstrated by the hedgehog's dilemma (especially since there was an entire episode called "Hedgehog's Dilemma"). For example, Shinji would desire approval from others and in the process make his depression and loneliness even worse; Asuka would push others as far away from her as possible with her tsundere persona; and Rei would have rather that she died — maybe fighting an angel in Unit 00, like she normally did throughout the series — than either gain or give up on approval like the other two children.

I'm not seeing where the "deconstruction" part of this comes in, it sounds like the trope just doesn't come up.

Reposting from the previous page:

A few examples from Hellboy (2019):

Is the following a notable aversion?:

• Hide Your Children: Sickeningly averted in Baba Yaga's infamous chicken-walking hut where the corpses of several butchered children are shown hanging from meat hooks in her larder.

And are the following examples being used correctly?:

• The Man Behind the Monsters: Though aided by some human cultists, Nimue has an army of monsters at her back and call to unleash havok upon the world.
• Ms. Fanservice: Milla Jovovich as Nimue◊ is sporting some serious Absolute Cleavage in her look. Justified since she is apparently trying to seduce Hellboy to her side.

The first one sounds like a different trope. Hide Your Children is about children not appearing in a (usually video game) setting because viewers would probably not be okay with them being subjected to violence by the protagonist.

An aversion of Infant Immortality, maybe?

Cut, because the trope never happens as opposed to coming up to deconstruct.

Is this an example of Climax Boss?

• In My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, in the episode "Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep", the Tantabus can be considered this for Luna's Redemption Quest that began in the second episode because she only defeats it by finally forgiving herself for that event and being willing to move on.

Besides noting "can be" as oppose to is; it's the completion of Luna's story arc for that as opposed to a climatic step. Is it an example?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 20th 2019 at 3:24:16 AM

Infant Immortality has been renamed to Improbable Infant Survival, and doesn't take aversions.

I wasn't aware of that; thanks. Probably just Death of a Child then

Would the following be an example of Dramatically Missing the Point or Comically Missing the Point? The character missing the point is doing so dramatically, but then the moment is almost immediately played for humor.

• Pokémon World Tour: United: At the end of Act Two, Rose Jenny fights her oldest sister Acantha in a Pokemon battle to determine whether Rose is arrested for having stolen her starter Pokemon or be allowed to keep him, Acantha remarks that Rose "will never be one of us", meaning a police officer Jenny. Rose's arc throughout the series has been to avoid becoming a police officer like literally every other member of the Jenny family. In other words, Acantha's declaration is exactly what Rose wants. This gets immediately lampshaded by the rest of the cast, who have spent the entire encounter mocking Acantha's poor skills at Trash Talk.
  Acantha: You will never be one of us.
  Cobalt: Isn't that the point? (looks at Rose) Isn't that the point?
  Rose: It's always been the point. I don't know why—
  Cira: Yeah, it's what you want.
  Cobalt (to Acantha): Why are you so tense as a person? Just like—have some fun, Acantha...

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 20th 2019 at 10:21:17 AM

From YMMV.Melanie Martinez:

• Harsher in Hindsight: Her music and overall appearance is this after her ex-best friend accused her of sexually assaulting her.

That's a straight-up deletion.

ContinuitySnarl.Mamma Mia Here We Go Again

Are any of these examples and enough to get its own page?

I would like to post a potential Hilarious in Hindsight example for YMMV.Neon Genesis Evangelion:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: In the story, Asuka is of European descent, given she was born in Germany. Thirteen years after the series aired, an actual European actress, Stephanie McKeon, would go on to voice said character in Netflix's dub.

And for the main Evangelion page:

• Not Even Bothering with the Accent: Asuka is supposed to be half-German, but Tiffany Grant and Stephanie McKeon speak with their respective American and Irish accents in the English dubs.

Do these fit?

Edited by gjjones on Jun 21st 2019 at 5:46:54 AM

Not even a little bit. What the hell?

Hmm, I see.

Anyway, I would like to discuss the following example in Trivia.Sakura Wars 4 Fall In Love Maidens:

• When Sega began to end production of the Dreamcast, Overworks was given ten months to complete the game after they declined to port it for the Play Station 2. As such, they reused graphics from Is Paris Burning? and scrapped their original plans to set the game in Taiwan and New York. Despite that, it worked.

Is this a true example of Christmas Rushed?

Edited by gjjones on Jun 21st 2019 at 7:11:23 AM

The line "This often comes in the form of trying to be Darker and Edgier" was added to Magical Girl Genre Deconstruction's description. Is that a correct usage of Darker and Edgier?

There is definitely a tendency to apply Darker and Edgier tonal shifts to deconstructions, although the two are not inherently linked.

Edited by Fighteer on Jun 21st 2019 at 7:30:11 AM

With regards to Hilarious in Hindsight, ~gjjones, what event is Netflix's voice casting making funnier than it already was?

Also while the page does say "any belated lighthearted coincidence would fit under this trope.", it's generally accepted that some direct link between the two events needs to exist. A European character getting a European actress doesn't really qualify. If, by sheer dumb luck, they got someone with Asuka's exact descent (German and Japanese with red hair) then you might have something.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 21st 2019 at 6:45:07 AM

Hmm, I thought it would be an interesting tidbit that Asuka and Stephanie McKeon are both from Western European countries (Asuka was born in Germany and McKeon is from Ireland). But if it does count as a misuse of the Hilarious in Hindsight, I've noted it under the Fake Nationality trope in the trivia page.

Edited by gjjones on Jun 21st 2019 at 9:00:44 AM

'Just making sure since the description lacked references to Darker and Edgier before. A lot of people outside Tvtropes misuse Magical Girl Genre Deconstruction as "any Darker and Edgier Magical Girl".

Yes, which is why I'm wondering if it should be removed given the general public conflation of Deconstruction with Darker and Edgier.

So, for Underwear of Power, would it count if the character was only in their underwear and nothing else, instead of it just being "costume that makes it look like you're wearing no pants/it looks like you're wearing your underwear on the outside"?

I don't think that's the intent of the trope, no.

From Pokémon The 'Bridged Series:

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
  • The song “My ‘Bridged Friends”, and indeed the entirety of the main trio’s relationship becomes this when you learn that Mike(Ash) was constantly abusing Jesse(Misty) for years, and is currently doing the same to Jerry(Brock).
  • On a related note, the running gag of Ash calling Misty crazy takes a darker turn after Jesse exposed Mike. When he outted him as an abuser, one of Mike's listed offenses was gaslighting him to the rest of Team Four Star so that they'd take his side.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jun 22nd 2019 at 2:17:32 AM

I'd say the second one fits, as there's a direct link between the original joke (x calling y crazy) and the Aneurysm inducing event (x Gaslighting y). Though shouldn't it be "Team Elite 3" rather than Team Four Star?

The first one I'm more hesitant on, if for no other reason than it doesn't really establish what about their relationship is affected by the abuse allegations. In other words, it doesn't tell us the original joke.

The "Funny Aneurysm" Moment cleanup thread night be able to offer a more definite opinion if the thread doesn't.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 22nd 2019 at 7:37:08 AM

There are 2 In-Universe examples of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character on WebVideo.Some Call Me Johnny which I believe are misuse:

• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: invoked
  • He found it disappointing that Link was completely unexplored in Breath of the Wild, especially since he actually goes by Link and not a player name, signifying that this incarnation of the character has his own personality and identity instead of just being the player's means of interacting with the world around them.
  • Found it really disheartening that Wes, the protagonist of Pokemon Colesseum, wasn't explored at all outside of the intro. Since the intro establishes him as being a former criminal who blows up his boss's base while smiling and stealing his old unit's equipment, Johnny was hoping for a more fleshed out and darker take on a Pokemon protagonist. Instead, he ends up being the standard silent protagonist that Pokemon has always had.

They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character from my understanding is for when a character doesn't get enough screentime. Both of these examples for protagonists, characters who get the most screentime, and are more about how they're portrayed, which They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character is often misused for. I tried bringing up the Wes example on the cleanup thread, but I didn't get a response.

Edited by ADrago on Jun 22nd 2019 at 5:00:22 AM