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Understood, although it does look like Crappy Carnival has amusement park examples that are low-quality instead of malicious(inc the non fatal bits of action park)
Reposting from the previous page so it doesn't get lost:
Do the following example that are on Hellboy (2019) look like they have enough context?:
Reposting from the previous page:
I'm thinking about adding a potential example regarding VideoGame.Sakura Wars. Here goes nothing:
Reposting a previously ignored inquiry.
Aesop.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic
The trust your instincts one is the Aesop that's stated in-work, the other is inferred, so is that Alternate Aesop Interpretation instead and should be moved there? Can Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped overlap with Alternate Aesop Interpretation since it's not trying to drop that anvil?
Since no-one seems to have any arguments against I'm moving it to Alternate Aesop Interpretation tomorrow unless anyone objects.
Please can someone have a look at the examples in the previous page, as I'm not sure if some are ZCE's or not and the usage of the trope is an issue partially (see link).
Also, from Film.Sonys Universe Of Marvel Characters:
Isn't this also an Alternate Continuity or am I wrong?
Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 15th 2019 at 10:07:30 AM
I go with Alternate. There's no official word of these two properties being in the same universe.
If you can't tell whether they're examples because the context doesn't explain, they're ZCEs. Do comment those out. The first entry I'm not sure, but it might be a better example for Narnia Time.
American Kirby Is Hardcore is just for international boxart, rght?
The Iconic says so. Also, its not trivia.
I wanted to add an example to Giant Space Flea Out Of Nowhere, but I'm not completely sure if it belongs.
From YMMV.Sound Euphonium:
So, it's Values Dissonance except it's not?
from a modern western view of progression, having two females being attracted to each other wouldn't be that out there. The Japanese concept of two girls who are attracted to each other but will grow out of it as they get older would be strange for Western viewers.
On Doctor Who, it says that the Doctor does a Potty Dance while behind the ATM in "The Runaway Bride" and that the Tenth Doctor has several examples of Potty Emergency. I'm a Whovian and I've seen all Tenth Doctor episodes, including "The Runaway Bride", and I don't recall any instance of either of those tropes. It also says that he attempted Nature Tinkling in "Planet of the Dead", which I also do not recall.
Edited by Unicorndance on May 16th 2019 at 4:10:41 AM
Honestly, I kinda feel like there's a worrisome tendency among anime/manga fans to defend various questionable narrative decisions as Values Dissonance when Japanese fans actually have the same issues. I don't know anything about this series but the example is kinda giving me those vibes.
Restored My Faith in Humanity: In Babylon 5, the human named Sebastian was taken by the ancient Vorlon race around November 1888 and for four hundred years used by them to test people to see if they are worthy of being the leader in the upcoming war. They forced this upon him as penance for his crimes and pride. Then when he encounters the heroes Sheriden and Delenn and they prove themselves worthy, he notes, " How do you know the chosen ones? No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his friend. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame... for one person. In the dark. Where no one will ever know or see. I've been in the service of the Vorlons for centuries, looking... Diogenes with his lamp looking for a man willing to die for all the wrong reasons. At last, my job is finished. Yours is just beginning. When the darkness comes, know this: You are the right people, in the right place, at the right time."
Do you think this means his faith in humanity was restored or just his faith in these two is validated? If the latter, does it still qualify for the trope?
The first and second bullet points of the example are contradictory. One says that it is an example of Values Dissonance between female affection in Japan vs elsewhere and then the second one says that Japanese people thought it was queerbaity too.
I'm wick-checking for Year Inside, Hour Outside as well as its opposite trope, Year Outside, Hour Inside and I would appreciate it if these examples were checked:
From Recap.Big Finish Doctor Who 091 Circular Time:
Possibly needs more context?
From Recap.Doctor Who Magazine 390 Death To The Doctor where this might be another trope:
From Recap.Doctor Who S 28 E 4 The Girl In The Fireplace should this be Narnia Time:
From TheElderScrolls.Tropes V To Z, an example which could be Narnia Time:
I need to check these make sense for the tropes being described.
Is the Ministry of Magic's smear campaign against Harry and Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix helping Voldemort a case of Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! or Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!? Cornelius Fudge certainly isn't a hero; is there a trope for one member of a Big-Bad Ensemble accidentally helping another?
This example on Red Right Hand seems like misuse, since the Author isn't evil. I don't even think it counts as a subversion, since he's never implied to be evil.
Edited by rjd1922 on May 16th 2019 at 4:31:53 AM
Fudge isn't a hero, but he's also not a big bad. He's closer to an obstructive bureaucrat.
That doesn't answer my question, and the Big-Bad Ensemble page lists Fudge and Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix.
I would say Fudge is more Unwitting Pawn than a breaking hero or fixing villain. Fudge isn't evil, but he also isn't on the protagonists' side, and his actions pretty much play right into Voldemort's hands.
Also just because Fudge is listed as part of a Big-Bad Ensemble doesn't necessarily mean he's part of a Big-Bad Ensemble. Especially if, as noted, he's not a Big Bad of any kind to begin with. That entry may itself be invalid.
Edited by sgamer82 on May 16th 2019 at 5:27:35 AM
yeah that's not a valid example and should be removed
Saw this on Stealth Sequel and....I'm pretty sure this is a joke...
"* As well as Eugene and Rapunzel from Tangled making a cameo at Elsa's coronation in Frozen, director Chris Buck says that Anna and Elsa's parents washed up on island with their new baby, Tarzan''. "
Edited by lalalei2001 on May 16th 2019 at 9:31:00 AM
Isn't that a fan theory?
I feel like "director jokingly claims the work is a Stealth Sequel (but it isn't, actually)" fits into a trivia item, some way or another.
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