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Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Take my revolution!
May 15th 2019 at 11:54:23 AM

Understood, although it does look like Crappy Carnival has amusement park examples that are low-quality instead of malicious(inc the non fatal bits of action park)

Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination
May 15th 2019 at 12:19:55 PM

Reposting from the previous page so it doesn't get lost:

Do the following example that are on Hellboy (2019) look like they have enough context?:

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
May 15th 2019 at 12:36:30 PM

Reposting from the previous page:

I'm thinking about adding a potential example regarding VideoGame.Sakura Wars. Here goes nothing:

  • Keep Circulating the Tapes:
    • Before launching the official Sakura Wars website in 2000, Sega already had official websites of the original Sega Saturn releases of Sakura Wars and Sakura Wars 2: Thou Shalt Not Die. When Sega redesigned their official website in 2001, the content was not converted to Flash and was lost. There's little chance of finding some of the official material on Sega's pages for the SS releases, such as the promotional videos.
    • Even after Sega redesigned SakuraTaisen.com again in March 2019, the original video content that was on the Sega Channel wasn't converted when it was shut down in late 2010, so fans searching for the original promotional videos will be completely out of luck.
    • The Sakura Wars Online game was released in December 2001, at least eight months after Sega ceased production of the Dreamcast. Through Sega's Open Dice services, there were online voice actor events, gaming competitions, and special events like Valentine's Day or celebrating the players' birthdays. Open Dice shut down on November 30, 2005, making online play impossible.

Thoughts?

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
May 15th 2019 at 12:54:19 PM

Reposting a previously ignored inquiry.

Aesop.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic

  • A Canterlot Wedding:
    • Always trust your instincts.
    • When you have an incredible statement to make, make sure you have enough evidence to back you up. On the flip side, just because something sounds outrageous doesn't mean there isn't a little bit of truth behind it.
SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic
  • "A Canterlot Wedding" has the message that even if you're right, you should have a good deal of tact in making your point.
    • And on the flip end of the coin, it also gives the moral that just because a claim seems outrageous and arbitrary on the surface, it doesn't automatically mean that there isn't some level of truth behind it.

The trust your instincts one is the Aesop that's stated in-work, the other is inferred, so is that Alternate Aesop Interpretation instead and should be moved there? Can Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped overlap with Alternate Aesop Interpretation since it's not trying to drop that anvil?

Since no-one seems to have any arguments against I'm moving it to Alternate Aesop Interpretation tomorrow unless anyone objects.

Merseyuser1 from Greater Manchester, United Kingdom
May 15th 2019 at 2:01:45 PM

Please can someone have a look at the examples in the previous page, as I'm not sure if some are ZCE's or not and the usage of the trope is an issue partially (see link).

Also, from Film.Sonys Universe Of Marvel Characters:

  • Shared Universe: Running concurrently to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this 'verse is of the Spidey-related properties owned by Sony, though they've expressed interest in crossing over later.

Isn't this also an Alternate Continuity or am I wrong?

Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 15th 2019 at 10:07:30 AM

May 15th 2019 at 2:12:33 PM

[up]I go with Alternate. There's no official word of these two properties being in the same universe.

Gacha Is A Lie.
May 15th 2019 at 2:22:28 PM

[up][up] If you can't tell whether they're examples because the context doesn't explain, they're ZCEs. Do comment those out. The first entry I'm not sure, but it might be a better example for Narnia Time.

Crossover-Enthusiast Vibrating "Nyas" from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Vibrating "Nyas"
May 15th 2019 at 3:30:14 PM

American Kirby Is Hardcore is just for international boxart, rght?

Trivia.Steven Universe:

  • The show's merchandise items of Lapis Lazuli all have her smiling, which is something that she rarely does on the actual series.

A short Pokébreak for some Peridot.
May 15th 2019 at 3:39:41 PM

[up]The Iconic says so. Also, its not trivia.

Gacha Is A Lie.
May 15th 2019 at 4:26:32 PM

I wanted to add an example to Giant Space Flea Out Of Nowhere, but I'm not completely sure if it belongs.

  • In Megaman Zero, the boss of one level is actually three minibosses in a row, one for each element. But while you encounter the Thunder and Ice miniboss during a normal run, the Fire one can only be found in an optional area at one level, so if you didn't follow that path, the Fire Golem seems to appear out of nowhere.

Pichu-kun ...
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May 15th 2019 at 5:46:46 PM

From YMMV.Sound Euphonium:

  • Values Dissonance:
    • The nature of Kumiko and Reina's relationship, especially in the anime. The majority of Western viewers would see two young women who couldn't possibly not be attracted to each other in a romantic sense (meaning really really gay), but among Japanese watchers there's the acceptance that the two girls have a close and even passionate relationship with each other, and yet free from any kind of romantic baggage (as represented by the nuances between Reina and Kumiko's use of the words "ai", "koi", and "suki", all of which could be translated as "love"). The original novels take this latter view, as while Kumiko eventually returns Shuichi's feelings, her and Reina's fates remain irrevocably entwined.
    • Still, even considering the above, many Japanese fans were equally confused about Kumiko and Reina's relationship, which just goes to show how far KyoAni pushed the issue.

So, it's Values Dissonance except it's not?

May 15th 2019 at 6:09:59 PM

[up]from a modern western view of progression, having two females being attracted to each other wouldn't be that out there. The Japanese concept of two girls who are attracted to each other but will grow out of it as they get older would be strange for Western viewers.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
May 15th 2019 at 6:23:50 PM

On Doctor Who, it says that the Doctor does a Potty Dance while behind the ATM in "The Runaway Bride" and that the Tenth Doctor has several examples of Potty Emergency. I'm a Whovian and I've seen all Tenth Doctor episodes, including "The Runaway Bride", and I don't recall any instance of either of those tropes. It also says that he attempted Nature Tinkling in "Planet of the Dead", which I also do not recall.

Edited by Unicorndance on May 16th 2019 at 4:10:41 AM

For every low there is a high.
nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
May 15th 2019 at 6:27:34 PM

[up][up][up]Honestly, I kinda feel like there's a worrisome tendency among anime/manga fans to defend various questionable narrative decisions as Values Dissonance when Japanese fans actually have the same issues. I don't know anything about this series but the example is kinda giving me those vibes.

isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Relationship Status: Abstaining
Lord of the Blue Star
May 15th 2019 at 9:04:34 PM

Restored My Faith in Humanity: In Babylon 5, the human named Sebastian was taken by the ancient Vorlon race around November 1888 and for four hundred years used by them to test people to see if they are worthy of being the leader in the upcoming war. They forced this upon him as penance for his crimes and pride. Then when he encounters the heroes Sheriden and Delenn and they prove themselves worthy, he notes, " How do you know the chosen ones? No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his friend. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame... for one person. In the dark. Where no one will ever know or see. I've been in the service of the Vorlons for centuries, looking... Diogenes with his lamp looking for a man willing to die for all the wrong reasons. At last, my job is finished. Yours is just beginning. When the darkness comes, know this: You are the right people, in the right place, at the right time."

Do you think this means his faith in humanity was restored or just his faith in these two is validated? If the latter, does it still qualify for the trope?

Pichu-kun ...
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May 16th 2019 at 10:21:29 AM

[up](x4) The first and second bullet points of the example are contradictory. One says that it is an example of Values Dissonance between female affection in Japan vs elsewhere and then the second one says that Japanese people thought it was queerbaity too.

Merseyuser1 from Greater Manchester, United Kingdom
May 16th 2019 at 11:24:41 AM

I'm wick-checking for Year Inside, Hour Outside as well as its opposite trope, Year Outside, Hour Inside and I would appreciate it if these examples were checked:

From Recap.Big Finish Doctor Who 091 Circular Time:

Possibly needs more context?


From Recap.Doctor Who Magazine 390 Death To The Doctor where this might be another trope:

  • Year Inside, Hour Outside: Valis was defeated by the Eighth Doctor two weeks ago. The Doctor who arrives shortly after his death is the Tenth.


From Recap.Doctor Who S 28 E 4 The Girl In The Fireplace should this be Narnia Time:

  • Year Inside, Hour Outside: Upon arriving on the abandoned spaceship, the Doctor finds an 18th century French fireplace, which is actually a "time window". The first time he looks through it, he speaks to the eponymous girl ("Reinette") who lives in France in 1727. He goes through the time window and Reinette informs him that it was months ago that he last spoke to her a few seconds before. Each time he goes back to the spaceship and returns through the fireplace, years have passed. At the end of the episode, the Doctor tells her to pack her bags and come with him. He runs off to find his companions in the spaceship, in his excitement forgetting about the time differential. When he returns to the fireplace, he finds that Reinette has died waiting for him.


From TheElderScrolls.Tropes V To Z, an example which could be Narnia Time:

  • Year Inside, Hour Outside: Time tends to apply strangely and inconsistently in the planes of Oblivion. For example, during the Imperial Simulacrum, Emperor Uriel Septim VII was imprisoned in Oblivion by his Evil Chancellor Court Mage Jagar Tharn, who then assumed Septim's throne. Septim was imprisoned for 10 years before being rescued, however, when he emergesd he did not appear to have aged a day. Likewise, within the Soul Cairn, a plane of Oblivion created and ruled by the Ideal Masters, time is said that the passage of time is "strange". In Skyrim's Dawnguard DLC, Valerica, a vampire, was able to live within the Soul Cairn for thousands of years without succumbing to the feral insanity that afflicts most vampires who go too long without feeding.


I need to check these make sense for the tropes being described.

rjd1922 Ultimate Adora-bot from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Adora-bot
May 16th 2019 at 2:07:03 PM

Is the Ministry of Magic's smear campaign against Harry and Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix helping Voldemort a case of Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! or Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!? Cornelius Fudge certainly isn't a hero; is there a trope for one member of a Big-Bad Ensemble accidentally helping another?

This example on Red Right Hand seems like misuse, since the Author isn't evil. I don't even think it counts as a subversion, since he's never implied to be evil.

  • Whoever wrote the journals on the oddities of Gravity Falls is reported to have six fingers on at least one hand.
    "That six-fingered nerd hasn't been himself in over thirty years!"
    • As it turns out, he has six fingers on both hands.

Edited by rjd1922 on May 16th 2019 at 4:31:53 AM

Believe in Keebs.
Yinyang107 from the True North Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
May 16th 2019 at 3:44:18 PM

[up] Fudge isn't a hero, but he's also not a big bad. He's closer to an obstructive bureaucrat.

Maybe someday, they'll see a hero is just a man who knows he is free. R.I.P. "Grammie" Ruth Watson, 1927-2014
rjd1922 Ultimate Adora-bot from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Adora-bot
May 16th 2019 at 4:15:51 PM

[up]That doesn't answer my question, and the Big-Bad Ensemble page lists Fudge and Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix.

Believe in Keebs.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
May 16th 2019 at 4:26:40 PM

I would say Fudge is more Unwitting Pawn than a breaking hero or fixing villain. Fudge isn't evil, but he also isn't on the protagonists' side, and his actions pretty much play right into Voldemort's hands.

Also just because Fudge is listed as part of a Big-Bad Ensemble doesn't necessarily mean he's part of a Big-Bad Ensemble. Especially if, as noted, he's not a Big Bad of any kind to begin with. That entry may itself be invalid.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 16th 2019 at 5:27:35 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Yinyang107 from the True North Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
May 16th 2019 at 4:34:15 PM

[up][up] yeah that's not a valid example and should be removed

Maybe someday, they'll see a hero is just a man who knows he is free. R.I.P. "Grammie" Ruth Watson, 1927-2014
May 16th 2019 at 9:30:51 PM

Saw this on Stealth Sequel and....I'm pretty sure this is a joke...

"* As well as Eugene and Rapunzel from Tangled making a cameo at Elsa's coronation in Frozen, director Chris Buck says that Anna and Elsa's parents washed up on island with their new baby, Tarzan''. "

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 16th 2019 at 9:31:00 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast Vibrating "Nyas" from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Vibrating "Nyas"
May 16th 2019 at 10:10:28 PM

[up] Isn't that a fan theory?

A short Pokébreak for some Peridot.
wingedcatgirl when you gotta tank but you wanna be cute from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
when you gotta tank but you wanna be cute
May 17th 2019 at 5:30:53 AM

I feel like "director jokingly claims the work is a Stealth Sequel (but it isn't, actually)" fits into a trivia item, some way or another.

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