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Pichu-kun ...
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May 12th 2019 at 6:58:31 AM

Which counts as the Adaptation Dye-Job?

Ozma is described as a strawberry blonde in one early book and never again AFAIK. Pretty much every illustration depicts her with dark brown hair and almost every adaptation depicts her with brown hair. At this point, isn't brown the closest thing she has to a canonical colour? Even Baum's 1910 films have her as a brunette. Her being a blonde would be an Early Installment Character-Design Difference. So, shouldn't her being depicted as a blonde be listed as Adaptation Dye-Job, instead of her as the more common brunette?

Edit:

[down] So, she should be excluded from Adaptation Dye-Job?

Edited by Pichu-kun on May 13th 2019 at 1:31:22 AM

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
May 12th 2019 at 9:15:20 AM

[up]Given the level of Continuity Snarl in the Oz books I think it's hard to coherently apply any of those adaptation tropes.

May 12th 2019 at 7:22:55 PM

[up]x4 Well, I would still spoiler the reason. And the reason why it was a semicolon is because it's the same thing as using a regular colon, but was within the same sentence. Example 

WarJay77 A regular Frankie-Fan from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
A regular Frankie-Fan
May 12th 2019 at 8:21:42 PM

  • Everyone Calls Him "Barkeep": Mom's real name, Cheryl, is only used once; all other times, she's referred to as "Mom". This implies that every other character has a real name as well, despite only being known as "Dad", "Daughter", and "Neighbor".

Made this example for WebVideo.Dad, but now that I'm crosswicking I'm less confident about it. Does it fit?

Edited by WarJay77 on May 12th 2019 at 11:22:09 AM

Just a lone troper on a quest to purge the wiki of ZCE's.
May 13th 2019 at 4:45:23 AM

Do the following examples that were on Irene Iddesleigh and it's YMMV page, respectively, have enough context?:

  • Flowery Elizabethan English: Ros randomly sprinkles in Middle English words like "thou" among the dialogue of a work that is otherwise surprisingly devoid of dialogue.

  • Anvilicious: Nearly every chapter begins with some lecture on how Ros feels humans behave.

May 13th 2019 at 7:06:07 AM

[up] Feel the second one is a ZCE since it does not elaborate on why its that.

Edited by WhirlRX on May 13th 2019 at 12:45:51 PM

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May 13th 2019 at 9:27:32 AM

[up][up][up] Second bit sounds like speculation, but otherwise it fits.

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WarJay77 A regular Frankie-Fan from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
A regular Frankie-Fan
May 13th 2019 at 9:52:46 AM

[up] I can see that; the series isn't even close to being over, so I did my best to mention what I felt was important without trying to make any major assumptions...but I guess it is still speculative. I'll chop off the second part to be safe.

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razorrozar7 I'll be pretty one day. from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I'll be pretty one day.
May 13th 2019 at 9:59:18 AM

[up][up][up][up] the first one sounds more like Ye Olde Butchered English to me.

Edited by razorrozar7 on May 13th 2019 at 9:59:43 AM

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May 13th 2019 at 10:58:38 AM

Aesop.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic

  • A Canterlot Wedding:
    • Always trust your instincts.
    • When you have an incredible statement to make, make sure you have enough evidence to back you up. On the flip side, just because something sounds outrageous doesn't mean there isn't a little bit of truth behind it.
SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic
  • "A Canterlot Wedding" has the message that even if you're right, you should have a good deal of tact in making your point.
    • And on the flip end of the coin, it also gives the moral that just because a claim seems outrageous and arbitrary on the surface, it doesn't automatically mean that there isn't some level of truth behind it.

The trust your instincts one is the Aesop that's stated in-work, the other is inferred, so is that Alternate Aesop Interpretation instead and should be moved there? Can Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped overlap with Alternate Aesop Interpretation since it's not trying to drop that anvil?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on May 13th 2019 at 7:34:19 AM

WarJay77 A regular Frankie-Fan from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
A regular Frankie-Fan
May 13th 2019 at 12:31:55 PM

From Series.Hannah Montana:

  • Hidden Depths: Jackson will loudly proclaim at every opportunity how disappointed he is that Robbie Ray had a second child, or how much he resents Hannah Montana taking precedence over any of his own plans — especially because Miley never lets him forget it. However, when push comes to shove and Miley really needs his support, Jackson will sacrifice anything — even his own happiness — to protect his sister's hopes and dreams.

Does this count? Isn't Hidden Depths typically something like "The Big Guy also presses flowers and writes poetry in his spare time"?

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May 13th 2019 at 12:35:03 PM

Hidden Depths is about a surface archetype that conceals another aspect of characterization. It can be a tough guy who also writes poetry, but it can also be a Jerk Jock who's protecting his sickly sister, a pro boxer who's studying astrophysics on the side, or an estranged family member who would do anything to defend them.

The thing to look for is whether the character would fit more properly into another trope that captures that particular dichotomy better, under the principle that we should always use the most specific applicable trope in a supertrope-subtrope tree. Also, what matters for Hidden Depths is the juxtaposition of traits, particularly when the hidden trait is not obvious or comes out only in very specific circumstances. In other words it needs the "hidden" part, at least to the other characters if not to the audience.

Also, the example explains the relationship, but commits one of the classic TV Tropes sins of telling over showing: it's better if specific instances where the hidden trait is displayed are listed.

Edited by Fighteer on May 13th 2019 at 3:38:00 PM

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WarJay77 A regular Frankie-Fan from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
A regular Frankie-Fan
May 13th 2019 at 12:36:07 PM

[up] Got'cha [tup]

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rjd1922 Ultimate Adora-bot from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Ultimate Adora-bot
May 13th 2019 at 4:52:06 PM

This example on Spoiler Opening feels like a different trope:

  • The Boomerang description for the Garfield and Friends episode "The Worm Turns" spoils the reason Booker stopped chasing worms: his life was saved by one.

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May 13th 2019 at 5:05:42 PM

That's closer to Trailers Always Spoil, I think. It's promotional material, at least.

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
May 13th 2019 at 10:40:21 PM

I'm thinking about adding a potential example regarding VideoGame.Sakura Wars. Here goes nothing:

  • Keep Circulating the Tapes:
    • Before launching the official Sakura Wars website in 2000, Sega already had official websites of the original Sega Saturn releases of Sakura Wars and Sakura Wars 2: Thou Shalt Not Die. When Sega redesigned their official website in 2001, the content was not converted to Flash and was lost. There's little chance of finding some of the official material on Sega's pages for the SS releases, such as the promotional videos.
    • Even after Sega redesigned SakuraTaisen.com again in March 2019, the original video content that was on the Sega Channel wasn't converted when it was shut down in late 2010, so fans searching for the original promotional videos will be completely out of luck.
    • The Sakura Wars Online game was released in December 2001, at least eight months after Sega ceased production of the Dreamcast. Through Sega's Open Dice services, there were online voice actor events, gaming competitions, and special events like Valentine's Day or celebrating the players' birthdays. Open Dice shut down on November 30, 2005, making online play impossible.

Thoughts?

Edited by gjjones on May 14th 2019 at 3:13:06 PM

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May 14th 2019 at 9:19:44 PM

Does Cursed with Awesome applies to "curses" that aren't supernatural or science-fictiony? Like if a character had to get a new identity, and his "new" life is better, despity his angst?

I went to the toy store to buy a jigsaw puzzle of my favorite anime, but I was ripped off.
May 15th 2019 at 1:46:11 AM

Do the following example that are on Hellboy (2019) look like they have enough context?:

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Normal Troper
May 15th 2019 at 4:18:54 AM

Can Shadow The Hedgehog from Sonic the Hedgehog being an example of Has Two Mommies? Though is a gender-inverted situation. He was created by Professor Gerald and has the blood of Black Doom in his veins during the creation.

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Take my revolution!
May 15th 2019 at 6:32:18 AM

  • In Bojack Horseman, Todd makes his own Disneyland after Bojack convinces him Disneyland isn't real. Attractions include a grease fire, a roller coaster called the "Death Coaster" for liability reasons, and a pile of filthy mattresses, and the whole thing eventually burns to the ground.

I added this to Amusement Park of Doom and the episode recap page, but now I'm wondering if it wouldn't fit better under Crappy Carnival (or both, if that's allowed), since the park in question is dangerous due to incompetence, not malice. Thoughts?

Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination
May 15th 2019 at 8:40:59 AM

Having trouble figuring out whether an example is Defiant to the End or Face Death with Dignity. They're doing something violent in their last moments (defiant) but they are very calm and not spiteful about it (dignity). Specifically:

  • Schlock Mercenary: When an Eldritch Abomination piloting a ridiculously large ship appears in the Unioc home system, it announces its presence by throwing a planet at someone. The system security forces, knowing they are hopelessly outmatched, decide to broadcast all the information they are collecting unencrypted on all channels in the hopes that someone will learn something from their deaths. They also unleash their weapons targeting as wide an array of surface features as they can; standard tactics would be to concentrate fire, but they know they're dead anyway so they're just looking for weak points someone else might be able to exploit.

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
May 15th 2019 at 9:09:23 AM

[up][up][up] Amusement Park of Doom fits better, as itís not a carnival.

Merseyuser1 from Greater Manchester, United Kingdom
May 15th 2019 at 11:08:55 AM

I've seen some examples of Year Outside, Hour Inside (currently wick-checking, and looking for ZCE's) which I'm not sure about. (Sorry for Wall of Text).

From Star Trek: Generations, should this be another trope:

Plus, these examples:

From FanFic.Legend Of Katara

Possible ZCE? No explanation of how? (not familiar with the source material)

and also:

From FanFic.Still Waters Series:

Possible ZCE? No explanation of how it's this way.

Also these examples from TropesGToF.Fate Gramd Order:

  • Year Inside, Hour Outside:
    • The island from the summer 2016 event is revealed to have this property in Part II, meaning that in the short timespan that the heroes left the island, the boars on the island developed intelligence, formed a civilization using the leftover infrastructure as a base, and then for the civilization to fall apart before the heroes returned.
    • One hundred minutes spent in SE.RA.PH is equivalent to ten minutes in the outside world. The Seraphix staff dejectedly understand this means it would take over fifty years for them to get rescued by Chaldea.
  • Year Outside, Hour Inside: Imaginary Number Space has this effect on the Shadow Border as the protagonists have only experienced a week inside, but by the time they leave, it's already been three months to the Crypters. Da Vinci notes it's entirely dependent on the tides and how it's acting up at the moment, so the exact ratio for Imaginary Number Space time to time on Earth is in flux.

Seems valid, but is it rare for a work to have both Year Inside, Hour Outside and Year Outside, Hour Inside simultaneously?


I'll leave these four for now, but would appreciate it if people could check.

As I've been wick-checking, I'm wondering how we can avoid ZCE's with Year Outside, Hour Inside since some people may not be familiar with the work's source material, yet explaining how it qualifies for the trope.

This obviously isn't an Omnipresent Tropes trope, but examples with this should be looked at.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 15th 2019 at 7:09:06 PM

May 15th 2019 at 11:17:10 AM

[up]The Fate Grand Order happen on different events. So i think they can still have both.

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