Is this an example?

No, Pokemon doesn't have Damage Typing either.

I would argue that that trope name needs changing, because Pokemon most definitely has damage typing, just not Damage Typing.

I added this to Non-Serial Movie but was I wrong with this?:

• Top Gear had several episodes that are all considered as being outside the regular series' canon:
  • The East Coast Road Trip in 2010, which toured California and had Special Guest Danny Boyle. Officially has no episode number, but is 125th episode produced.
  • Then there was the Middle East Special which aired on 26 December 2010, an episode that was largely seen as its own standalone thing.
  • The Patagonia Specials, which was a two-part episode, which aired December 2014, and although they fit the show's timeline, they aren't given Continuity Nods or given an episode number, although technically they're the 167th and 168th episodes of the revived series.
  • None of these episodes fit into the show's core timeline, so as such are considered as stand-alone self-contained specials, even though the regular show has a continuity.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 5th 2019 at 8:02:16 PM

Is bright red hair and eyes an example of Curtains Match the Window?

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I'd say so.

I think there has to be more to it than just that. Is there any significance to the red hair and eyes, does it make the character stand out in some way.

There's nothing in the trope description that says that. If the colors are meaningful it would be Meaningful Appearance, Color Motif, or one of the tropes from Paint the Index Red. Curtains Match the Window is a trope because it's it's a way to do Color-Coded Characters that is extremely common in anime but basically impossible in real life.

From Curtains Match the Window:

If a character has freaky, cool, or otherwise unusual hair colors, their eyes are liable to match. "Unusual", of course, needs to be taken with a grain of salt when it comes to Anime Hair. Comic books and western animation are also likely to display this trope.

Some series use this to make a character stand out as being "weird" or "different", especially if it's an uncommon color. Others use this for their entire cast.

Then that color coding would be the significance I was wondering about, assuming it applies in the situation Crossover-Enthusiast has in mind.

My main concern is that appearance tropes often have issues with Zero Context Examples so any hypothetical entry needs more than "they match and that's it".

Edited by sgamer82 on May 5th 2019 at 4:26:06 AM

Nothing that you've highlighted says it has to be symbolically used, it's all about visual distinctiveness. Red hair and red eyes is a very unusual combo of features to have.

If what you're asking is whether it's a single character who has that combo, a group of characters who has that combo, or if every character has a unique hair/eye color combo, I agree that that would be useful context to have in the example.

I never mentioned symbolism, just that we need more than "it's there" which we currently don't have in what we're being asked.

As it is all we have is "X from Y has Z", and at the moment we don't even know what X and Y is.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 5th 2019 at 4:53:21 AM

Reposting from the previous page, so it doesn't get lost:

Given how often this YMMV reaction is misused, is this example from Hellboy (2019) being used correctly?:

• Audience-Alienating Premise:
  • Apart from abandoning the continuity set up by the well-received del Toro films, the film changes Hellboy's characterization from "gruff tough guy who's secretly a kitten-loving Manchild with deep respect for his father figure" to "an openly surly, rebellious teenager with Daddy Issues".
  • The use of other Mignola-verse characters also led to rumors of attempts to start a larger expanded universe; this reminded some of the early DC Extended Universe and its attempts to rush characters onto the screen before audiences could be properly introduced to them.

And do the following examples from Hellboy (2019) have enough context?:

• Demoted to Extra: The original title of the script was Hellboy: The Blood Queen, but the Jovovich role was greatly reduced in the final theatrical cut.
• What the Hell Is That Accent?: As one review pondered:
  It occasionally feels as if Daniel Dae Kim, Sasha Lane and Milla Jovovich had a secret competition to see who could get away with the worst British accent.

On Demoted to Extra maybe explain what was their role in the original story compare to the adaptation.

The film is doing poorly box office-wise, so the Audience-Alienating Premise entry counts.

Neither of those examples have enough context IMO, but they're easily fixed. First could just have a line explaining how big Jovovich's role was in the original script (just being an Antagonist Title isn't very meaningful since they run the gamut of importance from a deuteragonist to an obstacle to defeat), second could just say 'Nimue the Blood Queen, Alice Monaghan, and Ben Daimio have wildly odd "British" accents.' before mentioning the review.

Listing just the actor's name without the character is bad because most works only mention who plays who in one section (in this case, the description at the top) and then force readers to refer back. For now it's just scrolling, but on the extreme end you want to make sure people don't have to change webpages.

Reposting from the previous three pages.

From VideoGame.Shin Sakura Wars:

• Kamiyama arrives in Tokyo's Ueno Station via train at the beginning of the game, which references Sakura Shinguji's arrival in Tokyo in Sakura Wars, as well as Ichiro Ogami's own arrival in Paris in Is Paris Burning?.
• If the Sega Fes 2019 announcement trailer is of any indication, Kamiyama's first confrontation with the demon after arriving in Tokyo references the famous Action Prologue of Sakura Wars where Sakura battles with the Wakiji in Ueno Park.

Are those Call-Back or Internal Homage examples?

Is there a lot (or really, any) evidence that the premise has had a part in that, though? Most word of mouth I've seen is that it's just plain not very good, not that people are mad specifically because it's a different Hellboy or something.

If they're in the same continuity, Call-Back. If not, Internal Homage.

Yep, they're in the same continuity as the main Sakura Wars games. Shin Sakura Wars takes place 12 years after So Long, My Love, which is the last mainline game in the series. Given that, it’s a Call-Back, just as I thought. Thanks.

Edited by gjjones on May 6th 2019 at 4:50:44 AM

YMMV.WATATE Nan Angel Flew Downto Me, Audience-Alienating Premise is being misused as this premise is uncomfortable and not this premise did not garnered any audience. The example:

The main premise involves a college student having a crush on an elementary school-aged girl. Needless to say, this premise doesn't sit well with a lot of people. This is especially true in the U.S., where pedophilia is an extremely sensitive topic, leading the anime to become highly controversial almost instantaneously.

I deleted this example twice. But its not a edit war since two/three tropers added back in.

Before I add it in, can Uncatty Resemblance be used for things that aren't pets? Like, a toy gifted to a child that ends up sharing a trait of theirs?

Regarding the Audience-Alienating Premise example, I was already aware of the film doing poorly at the box office, the issue that I took with the example is that I wasn't sure whether the film "being a continuity reboot rather than sequel to the previous Hellboy movies" or "featuring different characterization for titular character than previous films" or "viewers speculating that it might be setting up a cinematic universe" counted as part of a movie's premise.

I'd say they don't.

Can It's the Same, Now It Sucks! apply to over-used plot points?

Example: Fairy Tail has a recurring joke about Master Marakrov trying to step down only for his successor to do the same in-turn and re-appoint Makarov as guild master.

That sounds less like a recurring plot point and more like a Running Gag.