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Apr 29th 2019 at 12:10:21 AM

Is this example from MCU: Thanos being used correctly?:

  • Evil Virtues: Compassion, Courtesy, Conviction, Courage, Diligence, Honor, Kindness, Love, Perseverance, Respect, Selflessness, Truthfulness; had all these virtues not been drowned in an ocean of inconsolable cynicism, fatalism, grief and guilt (plus a willingness to torture people at the drop of a hat), Thanos has the makings of a truly noble Hero Among Heroes.

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Apr 29th 2019 at 12:14:02 AM

[up][up] I think the first trope might actually be something else entirely.

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This is a title.
Apr 29th 2019 at 12:32:27 PM

Am I interpreting Loophole Abuse correctly in that it is about exploiting holes in the rules in order to do things that are not technically against the rules? This being the case, would just outright cheating be an example, seeing as it technically meets that criteria?

I have two examples, both from Yugioh Vrains.

1: the character Lightning uses outside factors to artificially increase his lifepoints in order to avoid losing a duel to Revolver.

2:Several characters have the ability to use Skills, game effects that are normally limited to Speed Duels (card games on hoverboards!) during Master Duels (normal duels standing on the ground).

I don't suppose there's any rule that specifically says "You can't use your Origin's data to raise your life points" or "You can't use Skills in Master Duels because they are limited to Speed Duels".

The madness is catching.
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Apr 29th 2019 at 12:38:20 PM

Just because there isn't a specific rule about something doesn't necessarily make it Loophole Abuse. To pick an example out of thin air, there's nothing in the US Table Tennis Association's rulebook about paying a spectator to shoot your opponent in the knee during a match, but I don't think anyone doing it would be granted a win.

The line between cheating and loophole abuse can be tricky to identify, but one way of placing it is thus: If, after the reveal of the act, the player who did it is allowed to proceed (because it's not against the rules), it's Loophole Abuse. If they are disqualified, or would be disqualified were it discovered, it's cheating. How this is adjudicated very much depends on the work.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 29th 2019 at 3:38:47 PM

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Apr 29th 2019 at 1:31:32 PM

~Anddrix: Evil Virtues is No Examples, Please on its own article, and doesn't have a ton of wicks from primary namespaces, but for some reason there are a lot of wicks from Characters pages. I'm not sure if this is an oversight or an exception. I will say that the example you posted, as written, seems reasonable.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 29th 2019 at 4:31:45 AM

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Apr 29th 2019 at 2:19:05 PM

Could Genre Shift be used to describe a shift in tone in the middle of an episode?

I'm thinking of GoT S 08 E 03, which completely changes gears at the halfway point.

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It goes from a fantasy Big Badass Battle Sequence (with dragons, enchanted swords, and whatnot) to Survival Horror really fast. It doesn't fit under Out-of-Genre Experience, since there are several episodes dealing with the White Walker threat.

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Apr 29th 2019 at 6:19:21 PM

Wind Turbine Power... Is it really just "Windmills / Turbines appear"?

So, I could do:

  • Fanfic.Dungeon Keeper Ami: Ami uses windmills to generate electricity, while surfacers have only used them to actually mill grain.

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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Apr 29th 2019 at 8:52:35 PM

Whoever added this example to Under Grand Hotel seems to have completely misunderstood the meaning of the trope:

  • Green Thumb: Walter, which is why he's in prison. No, it isn't.

Why would someone go to jail for having plant powers? Superpowers don't even exist in this setting. Does anyone have an idea what trope this should be, if any?

Steel be with you.
Apr 29th 2019 at 11:39:56 PM

I think, from the other mentions of him on the page, he's in prison on drug charges. Like the person who added the trope thought Green Thumb meant the uh, garden variety "green thumb".

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Apr 29th 2019 at 11:44:46 PM

Definitely a misuse. Cut, unless there's a better trope to describe a weed gardener.

"No, I just figured I'd stand here and see how many ponies just walk into me."
Apr 30th 2019 at 2:55:20 AM

YMMV.WATATE Nan Angel Flew Downto Me, Audience-Alienating Premise is being misused as this premise is uncomfortable and not this premise did not garnered any audience. The example:

The main premise involves a college student having a crush on an elementary school-aged girl. Needless to say, this premise doesn't sit well with a lot of people. This is especially true in the U.S., where pedophilia is an extremely sensitive topic, leading the anime to become highly controversial almost instantaneously.

I deleted this example twice. But its not a edit war.

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Apr 30th 2019 at 9:53:47 AM

From YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog 2019:

  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Jim Carrey's take on Dr. Robotnik is the only thing that people liked about the trailer. Even though many are disappointed that he doesn't look like Eggman at all for the majority of it.

Can the main villain be an Ensemble Dark Horse?

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Apr 30th 2019 at 10:06:46 AM

[up]No

Steel be with you.
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Apr 30th 2019 at 11:00:58 AM

Audience-Alienating Premise is for works that fail due to their premises, right? Successful material shouldn't be listed?

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Apr 30th 2019 at 11:05:57 AM

Yes, and it can only be assessed after a work's release, not prematurely.

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Apr 30th 2019 at 2:44:11 PM

Hey, I've been trying to add to the Ittle Dew 2 page by adding examples from the Dream World. I put one of the dungeons, Syncope, as Big Boo's Haunt, but I'm not completely sure it fits. There are only two types of enemies that appear in only two rooms each, but both are undead. I'm fairly new, and I'd appreciate any help I can get.

ZootyCutie94 A real Weirdie! from Naperville Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
A real Weirdie!
Apr 30th 2019 at 7:30:36 PM

I was trying to judge if $45 million was low enough to be considered No Budget for a movie. Uglydolls had its budget revealed as that, and the company that released it, along with the company that animated it, are both known for making things on the cheap. I wanted to know if that was a proper example of that before I added it.

Apr 30th 2019 at 7:33:50 PM

[up]I guess that low for an animation movie.

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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Apr 30th 2019 at 8:48:06 PM

"No budget" isn't even on the table until it's under a million dollars.

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ZootyCutie94 A real Weirdie! from Naperville Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
A real Weirdie!
Apr 30th 2019 at 8:55:39 PM

[up] Gotcha, I wasn't sure, since I saw a lot of "double digit million budgets" listed for some movies on the trope page, so I wasn't sure if it counted or not. I'm guessing those should be purged, then?

Apr 30th 2019 at 9:15:27 PM

[up] It's worth noting that animation is notoriously expensive, especially CGI animation, so I don't see why stuff like (for instance) Norm of the North and The Star, which both cost 18-20 million depending on the source, shouldn't be listed.

Apr 30th 2019 at 11:28:14 PM

From Sleepless Domain:

  • Adult Fear:
    • That your daughter may one day wake up with magical powers that mean she has to go fight monsters every night, with all the potential for injury and death that come with that. Particularly poignant in Zoe's parents' case: they had already gone through this once with her older sister, and didn't even know Zoe identified as female until her powers awakened, so geniunely thought they wouldn't have to go through it again.
    • Heartful Punch's father was so terrified when her powers awakened he tried to stop her from fighting. Given he already lost Mitsuki to monsters, it's understandable. This is why HP is currently living in a boarding house.

Adult Fear is about mundane threats, right? Not supernatural ones, even if they are threatening your own children?

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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May 1st 2019 at 3:38:23 AM

[up] Yeah, those examples miss the point of the trope rather badly.

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