Follow TV Tropes

Following

Is this an example?

Go To

Apr 19th 2019 at 5:26:07 AM

[up]I think the characters themselves have to shift.

Edit@ From YMMV.The Rising Of The Shield Hero

Wangst: Naofumi's bitterness and cynicism can come across as this for some viewers who find him more of a Designated Hero due to his one track mind.

Does this still count even though he was falsely accused of rape and gets treated by dirt by a large portion of people? Wouldn't that justify him being cynical and Bitterness?

Edited by WhirlRX on Apr 19th 2019 at 9:53:41 AM

Gacha Is A Lie.
Apr 19th 2019 at 1:20:08 PM

Troper smasll_lordvoice added the Hilarious in Hindsight entry back to the YMMV page of Superman: Grounded, even though it had been previously agreed that this entry didn't meet the trope's requirements. This edit has no justification whatsoever, it's merely blank. What should we do?

[down] I already did. I'm still waiting for an answer.

Edited by MasterHero on Apr 19th 2019 at 1:28:40 AM

Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 19th 2019 at 1:21:57 PM

Report it in Ask The Tropers.

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019
Pichu-kun ...
...
Apr 19th 2019 at 4:21:45 PM

Should Eclipsed by the Remix apply to Nightcore? From what I've seen, a lot of nightcore videos are more popular than the original song's videos, but I don't know if that translates to actual popularity.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Apr 19th 2019 at 6:43:00 PM

[up] I say on a case-by-case basis. One valid example I know of is "Rockefeller Street" by Getter Jaani.

Important Trope Repair Shop thread under construction for four closely-related items.
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Apr 19th 2019 at 11:23:35 PM

From VideoGame.Shin Sakura Wars:

  • Kamiyama arrives in Tokyo's Ueno Station via train at the beginning of the game, which references Sakura Shinguji's arrival in Tokyo in Sakura Wars, as well as Ichiro Ogami's own arrival in Paris in Is Paris Burning?.
  • If the Sega Fes 2019 announcement trailer is of any indication, Kamiyama's first confrontation with the demon after arriving in Tokyo references the famous Action Prologue of Sakura Wars where Sakura battles with the Wakiji in Ueno Park.

Are those Call-Back or Internal Homage examples?

Edited by gjjones on Apr 22nd 2019 at 12:44:44 PM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Pichu-kun ...
...
Apr 20th 2019 at 6:23:09 AM

Marco's entry on Ambiguous Gender Identity keeps on being edited to be less and less ambiguously trans than before.

Just this month:

  • Marco Diaz of Star vs. the Forces of Evil identifies as male for the most part, but doesn't seem to mind being adressed with "she" pronouns, states that he'd "love to be Queen", considers being buried in a suit to be nightmarish, and has even referred to himself as "ya girl Marco," Complicating things further is that he seems very comfortable with being a princess in a large pink dress to the point of using their 'Princess Marco' persona for merchandise.
  • Marco Diaz of Star vs. the Forces of Evil identifies as male, but creator Daron Nefcy has stated as a child she had a male friend who wasn't allowed to see her anymore because they enjoyed makeup together. Because of that, she wanted to create a character that didn't get wrapped up in toxic masculinity and could be seen as comfortable and confident wearing a dress, which Marco has done in four different episodes as Princess Turdina. He has even profited off of Turdina, raking in $650/month for the merchandising rights.
  • Marco Diaz of Star vs. the Forces of Evil identifies as male, but creator Daron Nefcy has stated as a child she had a male friend who wasn't allowed to see her anymore because they enjoyed makeup together. Because of that, she wanted to create a character that didn't get wrapped up in toxic masculinity and could be seen as comfortable and confident wearing a dress, which Marco has done in four different episodes as Princess Turdina. He has even profited off of Turdina, raking in $650/month for the merchandising rights. The story boarders have been very sensitive to trans issues and the fact that some in the trans community have identified with some of the more progressive aspects of his character, so no jokes are made about Marco in a dress or the fact he appreciates makeup, while also enjoying swords and karate.
  • Marco Diaz of Star vs. the Forces of Evil identifies as male, but creator Daron Nefcy has stated that Marco has always been the type of guy who would stereotypically participate in feminine activities without feeling concern over his own masculinity. In four different episodes he dressed as Princess Turdina. The story boarders have been very sensitive to the fact that some in the trans community have identified with some of the more progressive aspects of his character, so no jokes are made about Marco in a dress or the fact he appreciates makeup, while also enjoying swords and karate.
  • Marco Diaz of Star vs. the Forces of Evil identifies as male, but creator Daron Nefcy has stated that Marco has always been the type of guy who would stereotypically participate in feminine activities without feeling concern over his own masculinity. In four different episodes he dressed as Princess Turdina as needed to thwart the efforts of Henious and St Olga's oppression of students. The story boarders have been very sensitive to the fact that some in the trans community have identified with some of the more progressive aspects of his character, so no jokes are made about Marco in a dress or the fact he's a cis boy who happens to enjoy more than just stereotypical male activities.
  • Marco Diaz of Star vs. the Forces of Evil is as cisgender male, but creator Daron Nefcy has stated that Marco has always been the type of guy who could participate in feminine activities without feeling concern over his own masculinity.

It's been edited down so much that I don't think it even counts as Ambiguous Gender Identity anymore. Should it be removed?

Apr 20th 2019 at 6:32:36 AM

[up]I think the first one might be the best version. I mean, the show still has Marco being referred to as male but still not above feminine endeavors

Gacha Is A Lie.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 20th 2019 at 6:42:28 AM

[up][up] I think the note in the second one about the series creator might be worth integrating with it.

[up] Yes, because it doesn't explain what about the rape is dissonant to anyone's values.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 20th 2019 at 7:44:55 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Metaverse An egg from New-Age Retro City Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
An egg
Apr 20th 2019 at 8:47:39 AM

Does anyone know if this example would count as Late-Arrival Spoiler or Spoiled by the Merchandise (I'm assuming Late-Arrival Spoiler judging from the page image)? The DVD cover for volume 11 of the animated adaption of Persona 5 happens to be reversible and as such spoils a pretty big reveal about a certain character, both variants said cover were revealed at the same time. This also happens to be a major reveal that was spoiled before the game even came out due to datamining of the game's preloads.

I'm illiterate. Super Man 64 has a better story than Persona 5.
Apr 20th 2019 at 8:51:18 AM

[up]I think the second one.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Pichu-kun ...
...
Apr 20th 2019 at 2:22:55 PM

How similar do Recycled In Space examples have to be?

These series really aren't that similar aside from being xenofiction.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Apr 20th 2019 at 2:23:22 AM

Albert3105 Magikarp deterrence
Magikarp deterrence
Apr 20th 2019 at 3:29:09 PM

Can non-music works be listed under Non-Appearing Title as long as the title never appears either as the name of anything within the work or in a line of dialogue?

Apr 20th 2019 at 4:53:45 PM

From YMMV.Devil May Cry 5.

  • Badass Decay: In contrast to their previous appearances, Lady and Trish's combat abilities are never depicted here. While Dante refers to them as "the most badass women in the world" all they do on-screen is get defeated by Urizen and used as living batteries for Artemis and Cavaliere Angelo (rather than fighting you themselves).

Would this still count even though both Dante and Nero got their a$$ handed to them during the beginning by Urizan. Nero was the first to get a legit hit on him in story only after getting his Devin Breaker. And even thst wasn't enough. Its not until Dante gets his Sin Devil Trigger thay he becomes just as powerful as Urizan.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Apr 20th 2019 at 5:30:53 PM

I think the Memetic Loser section of YMMV.Super Smash Bros. Ultimate could use a look, since every character from the represented series who was Demoted to Extra or was ever the butt of a few jokes is being listed here. I also feel people are using this to sneak in complaints about certain characters not being made playable, particularly Ashley's and Viridi's examples.

     The Section 
  • Memetic Loser:
    • Waluigi, similar to Chrom and Ridley, was often the source of ridicule due to be excluded from the roster, right down to being relegated to being an assist trophy (again) in 4. This ended up getting heightened after the E3 2018 presentation for Ultimate, because not only was Waluigi still stuck being an Assist Trophy, but Daisy, who was also famous for being snubbed, got Promoted to Playable. It was then exacerbated further by the reveal that the very first DLC fighter is a Piranha Plant, a common Mario enemy who before now, wasn't ever an option to be playable, even in its own series. Cranking things further into overdrive was the reveal of Joker, where memes and jokes flew that Joker, a Phantom Thief, stole Waluigi's invite.
    • Duster became this to the MOTHER fans, as he's the only main party member from EarthBound and Mother 3 not shown in any capacity. note  It's somewhat mitigated by the fact that he's given an assist spirit in the World of Light story, so he's at least acknowledged, but that still pales in comparison to what the rest of the core group got.
    • Ashley got this reception after the August 2018 Direct revealed she was an Assist Trophy once again, despite being one of the most commonly-speculated characters beforehand. The fact this happened in the same Direct that confirmed other popular requests like Simon and King K. Rool as playable characters only added more fuel to the fire.
    • Pyrosphere and/or Miiverse, for being stages that had little chance of coming back in a game that has a majority of returning stages.
    • A minor case, but R.O.B., for being in three games now and not having a single stage to his name.
    • Poor Viridi cannot catch a break. For one, she's returning as a background character in the Reset Bomb Forest, meaning that her chances of becoming a playable character are very slim. Then Pit's Final Smash was revealed to be the Lightning Chariot, which was apparently in her possession, implying that he managed to steal/get it back from her. And to add insult to injury, Chrom, a character who she heckled for not being playable, ended up making it into Ultimate (with the added Irony of being a Roy clone with an Aether recovery move, instead of an Ike clone without said Aether recovery like she predicted). She's also a spirit that players can beat up on in a fight.
    • Tom Nook became one after Isabelle's reveal, with edits and comics having him show resentment over Isabelle getting promoted into playable status over him, despite his seniority within the Animal Crossing franchise.
    • Wii Fit Trainer after the World of Light intro was revealed. While many of other characters make badass and/or valiant attempts to avoid or resist the disintegration beams (Link blocks the rays with the Hylian Shield and Master Sword, Pit and Dark Pit fly away, Captain Falcon tries to drive away in the Blue Falcon, and at least Snake's attempt to hide in his box was funny), all the Trainer seems to do is stand out in the open and do some yoga poses. Though some fans have argued that this might not have been as useless as it seemed see Alternate Character Interpretation above for more details.
    • A few particularly weak Spirits have fallen into this, particularly Adam Malkovich, who, despite being a major figure in his home game, is a one-star Spirit. (This might also double as a Take That, Scrappy!.)
    • Despite not even having any sort of presence in the game, Banjo and Kazooie have become this within the Smash fanbase. Much like Waluigi, they are a pair of heavily requested characters who still have not made it into the games yet in spite of the noise people make over them. Failing to help matters was their being among the characters implicated in the infamous "Grinch leak" that ended up being a hoax. They often get an equal amount of "Smash snub" or "invite stolen" fanart as Waluigi does.
    • In the competitive community, Pikachu has fallen into this. Pre-release, he was hyped up as being the best character in the game. When the game released, however, he got overshadowed by some other top tier characters, but most notably Pichu, who was originally a weaker Moveset Clone of Pikachu. Pichu ended up being a big crowd pleaser, leading poor Pikachu to the dust. It doesn't help that his best player had lost to Pichu multiple times.
    • Speaking of competitive Smash, there's Bayonetta, whose fall from grace is on a much higher scale compared to the one suffered by Meta Knight in Smash 4.
    • Snake, for still being limited to explosives and not getting to use his guns, while Bayonetta and Joker get to use theirs, since his moveset hasn't added them since Brawl. Granted, neither of the latter two's guns are actual real-world firearms and have certain fantasy elements to them (Bayonetta's bullets are magic, Joker's pistol is an airsoft replica that just so happens to act like a real gun because of the Metaverse's rules), but that hasn't stopped fans from wondering why Snake still hasn't gotten any real ballistic weaponry yet. He also became the butt of jokes for having his behind shrunken.
    • Futaba Sakura, considering how she is one of two Phantom Thieves from Persona 5 to not have a cameo appearance on Mementos, despite her having a voice cameo during Joker's Final Smash. Some fanart popped up about her being upset that she's only been relegated to a cameo in Joker's Final Smash.
    • While his lack of appearances could be chalked up to his Guest-Star Party Member status in his home game, this hasn't stopped people from giving Goro Akechi this treatment, as not only does he not make a cameo appearance in the Mementos stage, he never appears during Joker's Final Smash, and is instead relegated to an alternate costume for Joker and a Spirit.
    • Jack Frost got it even worse than the above two, because of lacking any sort of presence in the game, despite being the mascot for Atlus and the Shin Megami Tensei franchise as a whole. This was seen as a consequence of Persona being the most popular spin-off of SMT.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
Apr 20th 2019 at 6:22:56 PM

Regarding Shana Clone, need a character have all of the traits listed in the trope page, or are they optional as long as most of the traits apply?

Relevant example: One-Punch Man: S-Class Heroes lists Tatsumaki as a Shana Clone, but she fails to meet the criteria of having at least waist length hair and being either the female lead or the primary love interest.

Edited by Eagal on Apr 20th 2019 at 6:23:05 AM

The madness is catching.
wingedcatgirl cats with guns from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
cats with guns
Apr 20th 2019 at 7:28:57 PM

[up]re: Recycled In Space

I mean

having only read like 0.5 Warrior Cats and none of the others, I admit I don't know how similar they actually are, but the immediate first impression of Survivor Dogs is definitely "this is Warrior Cats for dog people".

🐱 Name: Sylvi 🐱 Pronouns: it/they/she 🐱
Apr 20th 2019 at 10:56:13 PM

[up][up][up] And entries for Sonic and Cloud we're just added which come off as complain-y and speculative in Sonic's case.

Apr 21st 2019 at 5:22:21 AM

I'm fairly sure that this is some sort of Bat Deduction, but I'm not sure specifically what it'd be. Is it an inverted Bat Deduction?

"Inverted in Touch Detective 3. Inspector Daria and Mackenize are stumped as to why someone has been going around stealing nothing but bananas. Daria "reasons" that the only kind of person who would steal people's bananas is someone who doesn't respect banana lovers, and as a sentient being made out of bananas would, by definition, be a banana lover, the thief's objective is absolutely NOT to make a sentient Banana-Man out of their stolen bananas. This is absolutely the thief's objective."

Edited by godsareus on Apr 21st 2019 at 12:30:28 PM

Metaverse An egg from New-Age Retro City Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
An egg
Apr 21st 2019 at 5:48:27 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]The Sonic and Cloud examples sounds like complaining. I would probably cut them. I have mixed feelings about including Banjo + Kazooie, since they've never appeared in Smash.

[up]x10 would anyone know if this example should go in the Anime & Manga section or Video Games, since it's a spoiler shared between both mediums. I feel with how widespread it is it should be added to Late-Arrival Spoiler, especially with how easily someone looking up the animated adaptation could come upon the images of both cover variants.

Edit: Going to have to go with Late-Arrival Spoiler on this, since from what I can tell Spoiled By The Merchandise is for spoilers via merchandise before something is released.

Edited by Metaverse on Apr 21st 2019 at 3:31:05 AM

I'm illiterate. Super Man 64 has a better story than Persona 5.
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Apr 21st 2019 at 7:51:57 PM

In the Sakura Wars series, there are certain scenes where Ogami or Taiga enter the baths at the player's discretion and he laments "my body is moving on its own toward the baths," knowing that it won't end well. Would that count as a true This Is Gonna Suck moment?

Edited by gjjones on Apr 21st 2019 at 11:03:40 AM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Apr 22nd 2019 at 4:18:26 AM

In Another Code: Two Memories (the game is called Trace Memory in North America) Ashley asks the guy pretending to be her father about her mother's murder. If the player has, without any prompting at all, gone out of their way to take a photo of the newspaper article about the murder using the in-game camera, the scene is altered slightly: instead of just telling her supposed father that she saw an article, she instead shows him the photo you took and asks about the article in the photo.

Would this count for a Developers' Foresight example?

Pichu-kun ...
...
Apr 22nd 2019 at 5:54:11 AM

[up](x6) I can't really say Survivors is "Warriors, but for dog people". It's written completely differently and has a different plot. If anything it's "Watership Down, for dog people".

Crossover-Enthusiast Neck Acquired from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Neck Acquired
Apr 22nd 2019 at 6:26:03 AM

I'm trying to figure out if this fits under Chaotic Neutral or not.

From "The Ninjas":

The ninjas are deadly and silent
They're also unspeakably violent
They speak Japanese
They do whatever they please
And if you tear off their masks, they'll be smilin'

"I can finally draw Steven's neck in public." — Rebecca Sugar, 2019

Total posts: 9,290
Top

Example of:

/
/

Feedback