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dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Apr 16th 2019 at 4:57:02 AM

Does this look worth adding to the Hilarious in Hindsight list on YMMV.Mary Poppins?

  • "Jolly Holiday" refers to Bert as "a diamond in the rough". It would take almost 30 years for another roguish Disney hero to take that title from him.

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 16th 2019 at 6:32:47 AM

I don't think so. The only thing in common between them is a common turn of phrase. What about Aladdin getting called a diamond in the rough makes Bert being called it funnier or otherwise more interesting?

It's standard "one thing happens, then this other thing happens" misuse.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 16th 2019 at 7:40:14 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Apr 16th 2019 at 7:08:39 AM

Would you say that also applies to the entries related to The Sound of Music and Father of the Bride? I didn't add them, although I did write the note attached to the former.

Apr 16th 2019 at 8:08:00 AM

From this page: YMMV.Tangled The Series S 2 E 21 Destinies Collide. I know the Broken Base one is incorrect as this episode aired last weekend and not six months ago. As for Shocking Swerve, there was a lot of evidence in the previous episodes (angry looks, fighting with her friend, mysteriously goes missing while everyone else is dealing with a villain, Traitor Shot) so unless the show setting up Eugene to be the Red Herring makes it a shocking swerve, I don't think it counts. The reason why I'm listing both of these is because if I'm right that Shocking Swerve is incorrect, I'll have to submit the page for the cut list so I just wanted to be certain I was right.

  • Broken Base: Cassandra's Face–Heel Turn at literally the last minute, with the exact details as to why she made this decision still a mystery. Some fans adore this twist and think it was well set-up given the negative qualities Cassandra's character has had since the beginning, while others are infuriated and consider it another Shocking Swerve that ruins Cassandra as a character, invalidates a good chunk of the past episodes and inflicts further unwanted Cerebus Syndrome upon the show.
  • Shocking Swerve: As mentioned above, some fans didn't take too kindly to Cassandra's sudden Face–Heel Turn as they felt like it accomplished nothing in the show's favor except ruining her character, rendering a good portion of the previous episodes completely pointless and adding even more unwanted Cerebus Syndrome. The fact that the episode ends with a cliffhanger thus never finding out why she did this doesn't help either.

Edited by LadyErinNY on Apr 16th 2019 at 11:12:23 AM

Apr 16th 2019 at 8:32:49 AM

[up]I say cut. BB is wrong entirely. I haven't watch that many episodes so i dont know how Shocking Swerve her turn was, but its written very complaining.

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 16th 2019 at 9:17:19 AM

~dsneybuf

Would you say that also applies to the entries related to The Sound of Music and Father of the Bride? I didn't add them, although I did write the note attached to the former.

I can't say without actually seeing them first. But in general I regard the "in hindsight" tropes as requiring a direct connection between the original event and whatever is sparking the hindsight, and I've yet to be corrected on this point.

As an example, go back a page and look at the Hilarious in Hindsight examples from YMMV.Captain Marvel 2019 I posted for a second opinion. Near a dozen entries and only one unquestionably legitimate example among them.

Also, regarding one I saw while checking my links:

~Whirl RX

From Characters.Aho Girl.

Politically Incorrect Hero: Refers to the Philippines as "The Large Banana Country" in chapter 122. The context in which he makes the remark (a discussion with Yoshie on where they could set Yoshiko loose in the wild with no repercussions) probably doesn't help either.

I honestly dont know whats politically incorrect about this az there's little context. Is he calling people of the Philippines monkeys? Wild people? For all i know, Philippines actually is a large export of bananas.

I don't know the scene, but I do know the series. Given what little context we do have, I have a guess. Yoshino is the Aho (Idiot) of Aho Girl, and bananas are her Trademark Favorite Food. Referring to the Philippines as "Banana Country" is probably a way of describing a place Yoshino would like.

Like you, I don't know if that's enough to mark anyone saying so as politically incorrect, there's not enough in the entry as written to say, but I'm inclined to "no" given they're discussing leaving the moron in a place where her favorite food is in abundance.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
dsneybuf Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Apr 16th 2019 at 11:06:01 AM

If you didn't already find them on YMMV.Mary Poppins yourself by now:

  • If you asked someone in the early 1960s, "Hey, remember that movie where Julie Andrews comes along and changes everybody's lives by taking care of some mischievous children?" – they would certainly know you were talking about Mary Poppins. Since 1965, though, if you ask someone the same question, they're likelier to reply "Which one?"note 
  • In the 1990s Disney would release a Touchstone film with a character named George Banks.

Also, how exactly do you tag a Troper in a post? I tried myself once, and it didn't work.

Edited by dsneybuf on Apr 16th 2019 at 1:06:50 PM

Apr 16th 2019 at 11:13:36 AM

From YMMV.Tangled The Series

  • Shocking Swerve: Varian's Face–Heel Turn that turns him from a well-meaning Mike Nelson, Destroyer of Worlds to a full-fledged Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds. Especially since he Took a Level in Jerkass and commits treason in his anger. Also, Fridge Logic kicks in that apparently no one followed up on him asking for help in saving his father, when his father was the head of a village and a respected figure between "Queen for a Day" and "The Quest for Varian". It's a gut-punch for a lot of viewers that saw his comparison to Teen Genius inventors in other franchises.
    • Cassandra's Face–Heel Turn is an even bigger one, as despite her anger at Rapunzel for what happened to her hand, she had resisted becoming like Varian and betraying her...only for something mysterious to happen to her inside of a magical mansion that prompts her to end up betraying Rapunzel anyway which for several felt like a move that ruined her character, rendered a good portion of the previous episodes completely pointless and accomplished nothing besides adding even more unwanted Cerebus Syndrome. The fact that the season ends on this as a cliffhanger thus never finding out why she did this doesn't help either.
I deleted it because like I said there was buildup someone readded with a flippant edit reason so if I could get a second opinion please that would be great. Here's what I wrote in the discussion thread if anyone what's more content:
  • Varian literally says he will do anything to get his dad out of the rock thingy and when he gets mad at Rapunzel for not helping him, the next three episodes he appears in, he\'s escalating from thievery to kidnapping. That\'s buildup. As for Cassandra, she has a falling out with Rapunzel over trust, shows signs of jealousy that she can\'t be a hero since season one, then that whole suspicious room she enters when she\'s separated from the main group, the bitter look on her face when she exits the room, Eugene getting that cryptic note about a traitor and the zooming in on her face, not to mention him and Rapunsel having a conversation about what if Cassandra is a traitor.

Edited by LadyErinNY on Apr 16th 2019 at 2:26:57 PM

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 16th 2019 at 12:10:28 PM

~dsneybuf

To tag someone, it's ~@/TropersName (with no spaces), using the {{}} brackets for one word names like yours.

For those entries. Father of the Bride (1991) is certainly not an example. It's just two movies with characters who share a name. If they shared some connection, like the actor who played Banks in one movie being in the other, maybe, but two entirely unrelated films released decades apart using the same name by likely coincidence is not an example. And if, by some chance, Father of the Bride did it on purpose, that's also not an example, just a Shout-Out. The applicable trope there might be Name's the Same.

For similar reasons, I'm inclined to say say the The Sound of Music is not an example. Especially since, according to your own added note, one led directly to the other so it's less "funny coincidence that makes this past thing more humorous in some way" and more "doing film A led directly to Julie Andrews getting to do film B".

As I understand Hilarious in Hindsight, it's when a moment in a work is made funnier or more amusing than it originally was by some later, related event. Like a joke in a later episode of a series or the actions of one of its actors/authors. The key words, however, are related and more amusing than they originally were. None of the entries thus far have those quality, in my opinion.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 16th 2019 at 1:18:08 PM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Merseyuser1 from Greater Manchester, United Kingdom
Apr 16th 2019 at 2:29:51 PM

Not so much about an example of a trope but whether this definition would add to the trope page Frozen in Time.

I was going to add this to the page:

Sometimes the setting can edvance, but only a particular area (or area of The City) can be Frozen in Time. In some settings where it's Fantasy Kitchen Sink or High Fantasy, this trope is likely to be common, and an essential tool for those genres.

and also:

Western Animation

Apr 16th 2019 at 7:48:14 PM

Lady@I Would agree with you. If there were build up and indication these people could do that, then i dont see it as a shocking Swerve.

Gacha Is A Lie.
KhymChanur from USA Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
Apr 16th 2019 at 8:06:32 PM

Instant Allegiance Artifact: I'm wondering if SCP-2140 from the SCP Foundation counts as an example. A minor difference from the other examples is that it's a visual Brown Note: if broadcast on TV it would affect everyone who saw it. A major difference from the other examples is that it doesn't work via anything like mind control or brainwashing, but rather retroactively rewrites the past so that anyone who looks at it has always been loyal to the Foundation.

Apr 16th 2019 at 8:06:56 PM

I'm working on a page for Junior Braves of the Apocalypse, and there are a few Playing With examples that I want to check.

One of the characters (Johnny) is Apache. When another character assumes Johnny being Native American makes him knowledgeable about the cultural practices of West-Coast Native Americans, he gets annoyed and calls them out for generalizing. Is this an example of Tipis and Totem Poles being discussed?

Also, there's a bit where the characters swing across a canyon on a rope. One of the kids calls it a swinger's club, without realizing the implications. Other characters privately comment on it (in a horrified way), but never bring it up to him. Is this Heh Heh, You Said "X", That Came Out Wrong, or an in-universe example of Accidental Innuendo?

Edited by rachiebird on Apr 16th 2019 at 8:26:37 AM

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Spooky DJ
Apr 16th 2019 at 9:16:29 PM

Does Hexagonal Speech Balloon always have to be hexagonal? Haikyuu's eyecatches use bubbles to show the characters' reactions, but they're not hexagonal.

Edited by rjd1922 on Apr 16th 2019 at 11:16:51 AM

really not feelin up to it right now. sorry.
Apr 17th 2019 at 5:26:33 AM

Even if double posting is allowed, I'm still being rude and impatient. Please excuse me.

Edited by LadyErinNY on Apr 17th 2019 at 8:37:54 AM

Apr 17th 2019 at 7:27:24 AM

Starring a Star as a Star: Does playing a celebrity in general apply to this trope or is it strictly thespians playing thespians?

Apr 17th 2019 at 7:32:12 AM

[up]I think its just an actor who plays an actor.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Apr 17th 2019 at 12:53:28 PM

Found these two near identical examples on The Last Airbender, is one of them misused?:

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 17th 2019 at 1:05:45 PM

Both are instances of a Zero-Context Example, with the second one compounding it with Weblinks Are Not Examples.

In other words, no way to tell as-written.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Apr 17th 2019 at 4:52:14 PM

Would the f-bombs in James Taylor's "Enough to Be On Your Way" and the live cut of "Steamroller" be considered Precision F-Strike? It's pretty jarring hearing f-bombs in soft rock songs from someone that usually doesn't have anything stronger than mild innuendo.

Apr 17th 2019 at 6:06:12 PM

[up][up][up][up] You think, so it means you're not sure either (P.S. no shade smile).

I asked coz while the word star is commonly used towards actors and actresses, it was also used for celebrities (e.g star athletes). I'm planning on contributing to the page since I'm into biopics lately.

Apr 17th 2019 at 6:11:49 PM

[up]I think it about actually trained actors and Actresses.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Apr 17th 2019 at 6:30:11 PM

[up][up][up] Depends on how it's used, but if someone rarely swears, chances are the few times they do use strong language are meant to put a big emphasis on what they're saying, so there's a good chance it's a valid example.


Would Dio's sons in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure qualify as Dhampyrs? One could say that they are half-human and half-vampire, but these characters don't exhibit any vampire-like traits. In the JoJo universe, vampires are simply humans who have had certain pressure points in their brains poked, so it's very likely that their DNA isn't altered, meaning that vampirism isn't hereditary, and even if it was, Dio's lower body isn't his, so his genitals belong to someone who was 100% human (It Makes Sense in Context), meaning that the sperm that he produces wouldn't even have his own genes.


TLDR: is having a vampire dad and a human mom enough to qualify as a Dhampyr, or does the offspring have to inherit vampire powers?

Apr 17th 2019 at 6:34:52 PM

[up]Was Dio still a vampire in the third part after taking over the first Jojo body?

Gacha Is A Lie.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Apr 17th 2019 at 6:44:07 PM

Yes. He sucks blood in his final encounters to recovery and once defeated his remains are burned in sunlight.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works

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