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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 28th 2019 at 9:11:01 PM

I'm thinking about posting the following examples for Lucy Heartfilia on Fairy Tail.

  • Call to Adventure: Natsu persuades Lucy to join Fairy Tail upon Bora's defeat in Hargeon.
  • Jumped at the Call: When Natsu asks Lucy to join Fairy Tail after rescuing her from Bora's trap, she gratefully accepts their offer.
  • Threshold Guardian: Hargeon is the First Threshold and Bora is the Guardian. Lucy helping Natsu defeat Bora is her crossing of the threshold.

Thoughts?

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 28th 2019 at 10:23:23 PM

[up] I'd argue Call to Adventure fails as-written since, if I remember correctly, Lucy was already actively looking to join Fairy Tail. The whole reason she even met Bora was because she was hunting for Natsu. Natsu offering her a place in the guild is less a call to adventure and more Lucy achieving her initial goal

Jumped at the Call might work, but not as written because Lucy was already looking to join so Natsu's offer isn't a call.

Threshold Guardian feels like it needs more context. As written it's just "these guys are this trope". Exactly what threshold is Lucy crossing? I'd give this trope a good long look, if you haven't already, to work out what's needed for it.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 28th 2019 at 11:31:56 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 28th 2019 at 10:31:33 PM

[up] To add to the Threshold Guardian example, Bora sets Lucy up to become a slave and the latter learns that he has taken advantage of other women so that they could become slaves. In essence, Bora is jeopardizing her plans to join Fairy Tail. Would that work?

Edited by gjjones on Mar 28th 2019 at 1:33:24 PM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 28th 2019 at 10:34:32 PM

Again, read the trope. A Threshold Guardian isn't simply a "first boss".

A figure or event that tests the resolve of a hero as he pursues his destiny and/or his goal. The Guardian is not necessarily adversarial, but puts the hero in a position where he must make a decision that reflects a sincere commitment to the task at hand, by providing a threat or bar to progress that the hero must specifically choose to overcome. In simpler terms, the Threshold Guardian exists to make sure the Hero is prepared for his adventure.

Sometimes the Guardian's challenge is an illusion which must be penetrated; when it is not, the Guardian himself is often the challenge, and defeating him can turn him into an ally. Whatever form the Guardian and his challenge take, their defeat forces the hero to grow; heroes that are not yet ready for their journey are forced to turn back until they have matured sufficiently to handle the task.

Physical force is not necessarily the solution. Outwitting the guardian or persuading them to your side may, in fact, be required.

A hero may have more than one encounter with Threshold Guardians during his adventure — each one tests him and at the same time heralds an escalation of the danger (and consequent reward) the hero faces.

While he comes later, I'd argue Lucy's father is more a Threshold Guardian than Bora. The conflict with him and, by extension, Phantom Lord, is ultimately resolved by Lucy telling him where he can stick it and committing fully to Fairy Tail.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 28th 2019 at 11:36:55 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 28th 2019 at 10:40:44 PM

[up] Thanks, sorry for the confusion. So, it basically seems that Jude and Phantom Lord turn out to be her Threshold Guardians.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 28th 2019 at 1:40:57 PM

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 28th 2019 at 10:43:41 PM

I would say so, yes. If you write an entry, make sure to explain how the arc develops Lucy's character and resolve.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Silverblade2 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Mar 29th 2019 at 1:54:30 AM

Triple Frontier

  • Harsher in Hindsight: Redfly getting killed came off as a sort of double whammy after Ben Affleck announced he was done with the role of Batman a few weeks before Triple Frontier was released.

It's me or it's an apple and orange comparison?

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Mar 29th 2019 at 3:04:08 AM

That reads as total nonsense. Even by Harsher in Hindsight misuse standards, which is kinda impressive.

Edited by nrjxll on Mar 29th 2019 at 5:04:44 AM

DEIDATVM from East Fishkill, New York
Mar 29th 2019 at 6:29:07 AM

~wingedcatgirl I was going to suggest Dummied Out, but apparently that only applies if the content is still in the game but access to it is blocked.

Primis from Nsburg
Mar 29th 2019 at 2:59:15 PM

Found this on Trivia.Isle Of Dogs:

The characters in question are dogs, Bryan Cranston and Liev Schreiber are voice acting in this movie. Cut?


Does this count as a Fan Sequel?

Rainmaker Entertainment held a contest for fans to submit their pitches for a webcomic based on ReBoot. The winning pitch was ReBoot: Code of Honor, which was then officially commissioned and hosted on the official ReBoot website.

Edited by Primis on Mar 29th 2019 at 3:00:08 AM

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wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Mar 29th 2019 at 4:13:08 PM

Re: Dawson Casting: The trope page itself says "In the case of voice acting that field has nothing to do with appearance and everything to do with vocal performance, as such only notable aversions are mentioned".

... Which is an odd decision, in my onion, but definitely does exclude that example.

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AnoBakaDesu Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Mar 29th 2019 at 6:01:59 PM

On Characters.Sekiro Enemies And Bosses, I recently deleted an Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever entry that read as the following:

* Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever: The snake is gigantic, its eye alone is man-sized and the rest of its body is up to scale.

Originally, I switched the trope to Dire Beast, before a troper changed it back to Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever, forcing me to delete it since it's a misuse. We took it to PM, but the troper isn't convinced that it's Dire Beast either on grounds that it must be a "prehistoric" animal.

Isn't Dire Beast suposed to be a supertrope for larger variants of a common animal?

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Mar 30th 2019 at 7:44:27 AM

Reposting these from the previous page so they doesn't get lost:

Have two examples from Star Trek: Generations that need looking at:

Does the following example have enough context?:

  • Awesome Music: Regardless of how one feels about the film, it is hard to deny that the score, one of composer Dennis McCarthy's few cinematic offerings, is first-rate. Here's the main theme.

Since YMMV items can't be played with, I'm guessing this example is misused:

  • Inferred Holocaust: An unusual inversion; while it's implied early on that the better part of 400 El-Aurians are blown to shreds along with their transport ships, based on the fact that Kirk was sucked into the Nexus from an even greater distance, it seems likely that those El-Aurians actually survived just fine, and that in actuality the Enterprise-B crew "saved" 47 of them from immortality and living in a fantasy world.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 30th 2019 at 7:45:40 AM

Hello again. For the Berserk Button entry on Characters.Black Clover Main Characters regarding Asta:

  • Berserk Button:
    • You may insult him but one thing you will never do is insult his friends and their dignity.
    • Speaking of friends never ever harm any of his allies. He will absolutely destroy someone if they were to do so.
    • Also harming the innocent and viewing them as garbage will utterly piss him off. As he was once a poor farmboy with no magical properties he related to this one the most.

If I'm correct, the Berserk Button trope is only used for minor slights. As such, I removed it from that page as misuse. Thoughts?

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XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
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Mar 30th 2019 at 8:13:12 AM

[up] Removing that is correct.

Harming one's friends, allies or innocent people is hardly a Berserk Button (which is, as you correctly point out, repeatedly overreacting over a relatively minor issue, like forgetting to switch off lights or chewing loudly); also the writing and the context would be insufficient — it should be mentioned how the character reacts — do they scream for minutes nonstop? do they start swearing? flipping tables? throwing things? The trope requires the character to be absolutely furious over the thing that pushes them.

Edited by XFllo on Mar 30th 2019 at 4:14:11 PM

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Mar 30th 2019 at 8:53:35 AM

I did the same thing with Tintin's entry on Characters.Tintin with Berserk Button:

  • Attempts to bribe him also seem to be a very efficient way to make him angry, as several villains have found out over the course of his adventures. Most memorably, Mitsuhirato once approached him while he was about to be executed and offered him a way out if he would join the japanese secret services. Tintin seemed half-amused half-interested at first, but the moment money was added to the deal, he beat the crap out of the japanese spy and threw him out of the cell.
Mook: He refused?
Mitsuhirato: How'd you guess?

I removed it because I wasn't sure if it was a minor thing, based on the context. Is that accurate?

wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Mar 30th 2019 at 11:22:12 AM

Is Notch an example of Fallen Creator? On the one hand, the fanbase has definitely turned against him — never the entire base, but large swaths of it for sure. On the other, the examples already on that page are largely based in disappointment in the actual works, while Notch's fall from grace is nothing to do with Minecraft and everything to do with shit he says on Twitter.

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 30th 2019 at 12:49:53 PM

[up][up] Anyway, when I spoke with the troper who added it, he explained when Asta first fought the group Saussy Village, the enemy kept trying to hurt the innocent in a poor environment and viewed them as wild beasts because they lacked magic, it relates to Asta because he's been through that and during the attack (understandable reasons). In the Clover Kingdom when he fought a wizard with undead magic that was enjoying harming others including a young child (also an understandable reason). When Noelle gets mocked and disrespected by her siblings, Asta even said I don't care what you say about me (understandable reasons). When people attacked his friends such as people like Lotus, that man who tried to rob Yuno when they were young, as well as Mars, he was upset (also an understandable reason). So, I don't think the Berserk Button thing counts.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 30th 2019 at 4:02:49 AM

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Mar 30th 2019 at 2:21:24 PM

You can't Composite Character yourself? Like this Spider-Man is a Composite Character of Sam Raimi's, MCU, and Amazing Spider-Man.

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TheNerfGuy Kadaj 5 the Nerf Guy from N/A
Kadaj 5 the Nerf Guy
Mar 30th 2019 at 4:02:06 PM

Would it violate ROCEJ to add a modern-day Socialism-based example to Original Position Fallacy?

Is that so?
SamCurt Conanian and Hirokian
Conanian and Hirokian
Mar 30th 2019 at 4:18:31 PM

[up] ROCEJ questions has its own thread ("Trump and ROCEJ") at the Short-term projects thread.

Hirokian Incident (December 8 2002-): The Freak Out! caused by an Escapist Character deconstructed 5 minutes after declared as such.
TheNerfGuy Kadaj 5 the Nerf Guy from N/A
Kadaj 5 the Nerf Guy
Mar 30th 2019 at 4:42:50 PM

I was guided here by another troper when I asked in the general US politics thread.

Is that so?
wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Mar 30th 2019 at 4:48:46 PM

Since I can't find your actual post in that thread, I can only assume you were directed wrongly, because this is the "is this an example" thread, not the "is this okay under ROCEJ" thread.

That said, if you said what the example was, we could tell you if it fit the trope in the first place, which might well make ROCEJ moot.

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TheNerfGuy Kadaj 5 the Nerf Guy from N/A
Kadaj 5 the Nerf Guy
Mar 30th 2019 at 5:45:28 PM

I redacted that post in the politics thread, but it is the one of the only two I made on that page. Courtesy link

Is that so?
naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Mar 30th 2019 at 7:24:22 PM

[up]You need to actually post the example you're thinking of in order for us to tell you whether it's ok or not.

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