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From Mortal Kombat 11:
From what we've seen so far, MK11 isn't really that much more violent that MKX.
And the entry is also gravely soaked with Word Cruft.
We've got a bit of a mess going on with the RWBY pages: over the past few days, people keep adding, removing, switching the following two tropes:
The fandom's been a bit obsessed with the yuri Blake/Yang ship ever since the show started (in fact, before, as it took off due to promotional material before the show even started). As a result, there's always been a ship war going on with this ship because Blake has a Psycho Ex-Boyfriend, she had strong Ship Tease with a male character (Sun) in the show and has had increasing Ship Tease with Yang (in fact, the Sun angle was all but written out at the beginning of the current season, and the last few episodes of the current season has all but confirmed that Blake/Yang will become canon). Word of God has confirmed that Blake is bisexual, but that hasn't been discussed in-universe. There's been no discussion of Yang's sexuality either in-universe or out, and that's where the problem lies: early in the show she was openly happy to be sharing sleeping space with boys so she could check them out, but beyond that she's shown no shipping ties to anything or anyone beyond steadily increasing Ship Tease with Blake.
As a result, there have been issues with troping Ambiguously Bi and Ambiguously Gay for Yang in particular. Tropers add, remove, switch, and basically Edit War over them. The season has just ended and due to the last few episodes all but confirming Blake/Yang will happen due to how Blake's Psycho Ex-Boyfriend storyline has been resolved, the adding, removing and switching has ramped right back up again.
So, please could I have feedback on what trope, if any, should apply to Yang.
She had this entry originally, which is fairly accurate but does miss the updated information from the current season. But it keeps getting removed and readded all the time.
In the past few hours, instead of just removing it, a different troper changed it to the Ambiguously Gay entry below (without edit reason).
This new entry seems to be very defensive and it's much less accurate than the Ambiguously Bi entry is, but it does include information from the current season. The reference to Early Installment Weirdness is a sinkhole. If Ambiguously Gay is the correct trope to use, this will need a rewrite (and the Ambiguously Bi entry probably could be used as a more accurate basis for an Ambiguously Gay entry to be created).
Blake's entry is a more stable (if not sparse):
My question is, are these the right tropes to be using? Should we be using ambiguous tropes at all? If so, which one is the correct one for Yang? Is there a different trope we should be using? Either way, whichever trope is decided upon for Yang, I think it will need a rewrite.
I've got no leg in this game as I'm not a shipper, so I don't really care what trope is chosen. I just want the Edit War cycle to stop.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 3rd 2019 at 4:44:10 PM
A few examples that need checking for Fan Fic works:
From The Arithmancer:
From Showa & Vampire:
and also these uses of Alternate Continuity:
From Batman: Thrillkiller:
An example from Punisher Noir that probably fits Alternate Universe:
From Marvel Comics 2:
and from Bullet Points where this could be Alternate Universe:
Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 3rd 2019 at 5:43:50 PM
I dont think Fanfics should have any Alternate timeline tropes since all fanfics are Alternate take on sources.
They aren't Alternate timeline by default; fanfics can also be side-stories or continuations of completed works.
Blake would be Bi the Way as she's been canonically shown to be attracted to both genders, Yang would be Ambiguously Bi because of her one comment at the beacon and all her Ship Tease with Blake.
After you change the tropes, I suggest requesting a page lock so people will stop messing with it.
Should there be a soirce to when they mentioned Blake was bisexual? I didn't see it in Word of Gay.
Is Adam's officially Blake's exe? The series itself is muggy on what their relationship was. Was Adam an Abhorrent Admirer or were they actually a couple? Either way, we know Blake canonically is interested and boys... and it's heavily implied she likes Yang.
Why isn't Yang Bi the Way then?
Edited by Pichu-kun on Feb 3rd 2019 at 12:31:38 PM
Yes, Adam is officially Blake's ex. Although we do know that from interviews with the creators (and I agree the earlier seasons were coy about it), the current season (which has just ended) did become much more open about it.
From YMMV.That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime.
Internet Backdraft: Some fans were not pleased that the "evolution" of the ogre characters made them look more human, taking away their more notable features, decreasing the size of their horns and in general being a sharp downgrade in appearance making them more conventionally attractive. Shuna and Shion get hit with this the hardest, going from distinctive◊ designs to a generic cute girl with horns and a generic sexy girl with a horn.◊
While i understand the disappointment in the design, i too think they looked better before, i think internet backlash is too strong. Maybe Unnecessary Makeover would make more sense.
Per this (three days past without objection what feedback I got agreed with trimming), I cut most of the Internet Backdraft, but this was added back:
While a valid complaint, I cut it since it gives no evidence it's widespread enough to count and the complaints are covered under Faux Action Girl and Badass Decay. Should this be removed again?
How widespread should Internet Backdraft be to count (I kept the one that has a citation on the issue)? And what kinds of complaining are not this trope?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:23:52 AM
- Shuna, I can't really tell the difference. Shion, though, yeah, I'd at at least say the designs are different. Her horn has less fleshy-ness, at the base, and she's happy instead of angry in the second picture.
In Dangerously Chloe, main character Teddy becomes a hive mind with a female copy of his body. After one emotional fight with Chloe, they ignored the offerings of sex from some stripper friends and instead were going to have the female version blow the male's penis. As they are the the same person over two bodies, would this count for a unique case of A Date with Rosie Palms?
a lot, I was told that Canon Identifier "explicitly" permits non-video-game examples. But rereading the description several times, I still don't see it, and it doesn't actually have any non-video-game examples. Am I failing like a billion spot checks or was the explicit permission given somewhere else and I need to take this to the description improvement thread? Or is it just a case of "of course it allows non-video-game examples, why the hell would any person with sense think otherwise"?
A troper deleted a lot off of RWBY's fanon page with the reason:
There's a lot of fanon misuse going on here. It's not for popular ways of depicting things in fanfics and fanarts, that basically classify as 'alternative universe', Shipping, or which may be fetish-fuel or WMG or character exaggeration — all these things have their own tropes. Fanon is supposed to be when the fandom fills out the gaps in the canon with fandom-created information that explains or expands the canon. There's also Ascended Fanon misuse going on. There's still a lot on this page that looks like misuse, where any popular fan theory is being labelled as fanon. Theories and fanon are different.
I don't know if this is correct or not. A lot of other series' pages contain similar content. Is that misuse then? I've always seen "fanon" described as non-canonical fan ideas that are commonplace amongst large sectors of a fandom.
Edited by Pichu-kun on Feb 4th 2019 at 10:19:28 AM
What is the purpose of a Fanon subpage anyway? To document every weird idea fans come up with? I don't see how that has anything to do with tropes.
For popular ideas in the fandom. Things that are so widespread and commonly believed that those unfamiliar with the work would mistake it for canon.
I still don't get it. Well, we do have WMG, Headscratchers, and Fridge pages, which are equally irrelevant. I guess people just like to imagine that their ideas are real, and then that anyone else cares, and finally that those ideas should be written down on a wiki dedicated to tropes.
How in the world would one demonstrate that any particular ideas are "more popular" than others, though?
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 4th 2019 at 11:35:29 AM
I thought fanon was use for popular ideas that not indicated in canon.
Fanon is for stuff that's commonly believed to be canon but is actually only widely believed audience speculation.
Fine, but how do you prove that?
Thats mostly from people who work on the media.
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