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Feb 2nd 2019 at 6:13:08 PM

From Mortal Kombat 11:

  • Bloodier and Gorier: Yes! Really! Surprisingly, this game manages to surpass already bloody 9 and exceptionally brutal X! There's no X-Ray moves note . They are replaced by so-called "Fatal Blows" which features the characters doing much more visceral moves when activated. Gore is a lot more detailed, blood sprays are a plenty, and even Fatalities now end at the impact of the unfortunate victim's death, letting us see body parts and entrails flying in all their glory.

From what we've seen so far, MK11 isn't really that much more violent that MKX.

MyFinalEdits Officially intimidated from Venezuela Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
Officially intimidated
Feb 2nd 2019 at 7:59:25 PM

[up]And the entry is also gravely soaked with Word Cruft.

There are two ways to spread the light: Being the lamp that emits it, or being the mirror that reflects it.
Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:40:50 AM

We've got a bit of a mess going on with the RWBY pages: over the past few days, people keep adding, removing, switching the following two tropes:

The fandom's been a bit obsessed with the yuri Blake/Yang ship ever since the show started (in fact, before, as it took off due to promotional material before the show even started). As a result, there's always been a ship war going on with this ship because Blake has a Psycho Ex-Boyfriend, she had strong Ship Tease with a male character (Sun) in the show and has had increasing Ship Tease with Yang (in fact, the Sun angle was all but written out at the beginning of the current season, and the last few episodes of the current season has all but confirmed that Blake/Yang will become canon). Word of God has confirmed that Blake is bisexual, but that hasn't been discussed in-universe. There's been no discussion of Yang's sexuality either in-universe or out, and that's where the problem lies: early in the show she was openly happy to be sharing sleeping space with boys so she could check them out, but beyond that she's shown no shipping ties to anything or anyone beyond steadily increasing Ship Tease with Blake.

As a result, there have been issues with troping Ambiguously Bi and Ambiguously Gay for Yang in particular. Tropers add, remove, switch, and basically Edit War over them. The season has just ended and due to the last few episodes all but confirming Blake/Yang will happen due to how Blake's Psycho Ex-Boyfriend storyline has been resolved, the adding, removing and switching has ramped right back up again.

So, please could I have feedback on what trope, if any, should apply to Yang.

She had this entry originally, which is fairly accurate but does miss the updated information from the current season. But it keeps getting removed and readded all the time.

  • Ambiguously Bi: More than once she's all-but flirted with Blake, winking at her while promising to dance and flirtatiously calling her "feisty" being some of the more prominent moments. However, when she first arrived in Beacon, she was also happy to be sleeping in the hall so she could check out all the boys. When Blake runs away after the fall of Beacon, Yang takes it extremely hard. In Volume 5, she breaks down in tears in front of Weiss, sobbing that she needs Blake.

In the past few hours, instead of just removing it, a different troper changed it to the Ambiguously Gay entry below (without edit reason).

  • Ambiguously Gay: Qualifies as this because aside from a single joking comment very early on in the show she has shown absolutely no interest in men, but more than once she's all-but flirted with Blake, winking at her while promising to dance and flirtatiously calling her "feisty" being some of the more prominent moments. When Blake runs away after the fall of Beacon, Yang takes it extremely hard. In Volume 5, she breaks down in tears in front of Weiss, sobbing that she needs Blake. Volume 6 ups the ante even further with numerous sweet moments between the two (paralleling the Ship Tease between Ren and Nora on more than one occasion) and showcasing even further how much Blake means to Yang, and towards the end of the volume, Adam, Blake's abuser, jealously demanded to know what the latter even sees in Yang, making it even clearer than he did in volume 3 that he sees Yang as a romantic rival for Blake because he can see how much the two care for each other.

This new entry seems to be very defensive and it's much less accurate than the Ambiguously Bi entry is, but it does include information from the current season. The reference to Early Installment Weirdness is a sinkhole. If Ambiguously Gay is the correct trope to use, this will need a rewrite (and the Ambiguously Bi entry probably could be used as a more accurate basis for an Ambiguously Gay entry to be created).

Blake's entry is a more stable (if not sparse):

  • Ambiguously Bi: Was in a relationship with Adam and seemed interested in Sun, but is also implied to have feelings for Yang, with Adam showing incredible jealousy towards her relationship with Yang, going so far as to scream "What does she even see in you?!" at Yang during their fight.

My question is, are these the right tropes to be using? Should we be using ambiguous tropes at all? If so, which one is the correct one for Yang? Is there a different trope we should be using? Either way, whichever trope is decided upon for Yang, I think it will need a rewrite.

I've got no leg in this game as I'm not a shipper, so I don't really care what trope is chosen. I just want the Edit War cycle to stop.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 3rd 2019 at 4:44:10 PM

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Merseyuser1 from Greater Manchester, United Kingdom
Feb 3rd 2019 at 9:42:56 AM

A few examples that need checking for Fan Fic works:

From Unfamiliar:

  • The Stationsofthe Canon: Does a good job of mangling this to make the plot more interesting. Louise only summons Alex after the formal class, the duel arc involves Guiche, Kirche, Tabitha, and Montmorency trying to kill him for being a plaguebearer while using Louise as bait, etc.

From The Arithmancer:

  • The Stationsofthe Canon: Played with, but mostly played straight. All the events of the books occur with only superficial changes. Umbridge is much meaner than in canon, Dumbledore is killed by Draco a few months earlier, the Death Eaters take over the Ministry a few months earlier.

From Showa & Vampire:

  • The Stationsofthe Canon: This story takes some of the original parts of the manga, tears them up, and makes something new out of them. For example, during Kurumu's intro chapter, a Spider-Borg and Bat-Borg come to retrieve Shinichi, and both girls attempt to escape them. In Gin's chapter, Shinichi was apparently three steps ahead of him when the werewolf attempted to make him look like a shameless pervert. In another chapter, the fanboys from the anime were shown in spite of part of the plot being based on the manga.

and also these uses of Alternate Continuity:

From Batman: Thrillkiller:

An example from Punisher Noir that probably fits Alternate Universe:

  • Alternate Continuity: Although the basic idea of Frank Castle as a vigilante remains, this time he's in the Noir Universe and things play out very differently to the regular The Punisher, that it's irreconcilable with the main universe one. Justified in that this is also an Alternate Universe within Marvel.

From Marvel Comics 2:

  • Broad Strokes: Thanks to being set in Alternate Continuity, MC 2 can choose which new elements or characters from regular Marvel Universe will incorporate into itself (like Araña) and discard everything else (Secret Invasion, One More Day and its spinoffs).

and from Bullet Points where this could be Alternate Universe:

  • Alternate Continuity: The key differences this miniseries has with the standard Marvel Universe is that there is no Captain America and the accident that created the Fantastic Four never happened, instead having Sue, Johnny, and Ben killed because of a bombing with Reed as the sole survivor.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 3rd 2019 at 5:43:50 PM

Feb 3rd 2019 at 10:05:48 AM

[up]I dont think Fanfics should have any Alternate timeline tropes since all fanfics are Alternate take on sources.

Gacha Is A Lie.
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Feb 3rd 2019 at 10:34:07 AM

They aren't Alternate timeline by default; fanfics can also be side-stories or continuations of completed works.

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Crossover-Enthusiast Matryoshka Brain from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Matryoshka Brain
Feb 3rd 2019 at 10:35:46 AM

[up][up][up] Blake would be Bi the Way as she's been canonically shown to be attracted to both genders, Yang would be Ambiguously Bi because of her one comment at the beacon and all her Ship Tease with Blake.

After you change the tropes, I suggest requesting a page lock so people will stop messing with it.

I wonder if spending three bucks for an app game is worth it?
Feb 3rd 2019 at 10:38:39 AM

[up]Should there be a soirce to when they mentioned Blake was bisexual? I didn't see it in Word of Gay.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Pichu-kun ...
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Feb 3rd 2019 at 12:28:36 PM

[up][up] Is Adam's officially Blake's exe? The series itself is muggy on what their relationship was. Was Adam an Abhorrent Admirer or were they actually a couple? Either way, we know Blake canonically is interested and boys... and it's heavily implied she likes Yang.

Why isn't Yang Bi the Way then?

Edited by Pichu-kun on Feb 3rd 2019 at 12:31:38 PM

Feb 3rd 2019 at 12:57:20 PM

Yes, Adam is officially Blake's ex. Although we do know that from interviews with the creators (and I agree the earlier seasons were coy about it), the current season (which has just ended) did become much more open about it.

Suggested RWBY Characters Page Split
Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:17:22 PM

From YMMV.That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime.

Internet Backdraft: Some fans were not pleased that the "evolution" of the ogre characters made them look more human, taking away their more notable features, decreasing the size of their horns and in general being a sharp downgrade in appearance making them more conventionally attractive. Shuna and Shion get hit with this the hardest, going from distinctive designs to a generic cute girl with horns and a generic sexy girl with a horn.

While i understand the disappointment in the design, i too think they looked better before, i think internet backlash is too strong. Maybe Unnecessary Makeover would make more sense.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:22:15 PM

Per this (three days past without objection what feedback I got agreed with trimming), I cut most of the Internet Backdraft, but this was added back:

  • The treatment of the female characters in the story has gotten many people up in arms, particularly Kairi and Aqua as players were looking forward to them having more proactive (and ideally playable) roles in the story. Kairi causes issues due to becoming a Distressed Damsel again despite being a full-fledged keyblade wielder and suffering yet another Disney Death, with no chances to play as her and only having her as a partner for only part of one fight towards the end. Aqua suffering from a bad case of Badass Decay, losing every fight she engages in (even the one you have to "win" when you are allowed to play as her) and often in ways that feel ill-fitting for one of the few current Keyblade masters.

While a valid complaint, I cut it since it gives no evidence it's widespread enough to count and the complaints are covered under Faux Action Girl and Badass Decay. Should this be removed again?

How widespread should Internet Backdraft be to count (I kept the one that has a citation on the issue)? And what kinds of complaining are not this trope?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:23:52 AM

Feb 3rd 2019 at 6:26:40 PM

[up][up] - Shuna, I can't really tell the difference. Shion, though, yeah, I'd at at least say the designs are different. Her horn has less fleshy-ness, at the base, and she's happy instead of angry in the second picture.

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isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Relationship Status: Abstaining
Lord of the Blue Star
Feb 4th 2019 at 4:12:10 AM

In Dangerously Chloe, main character Teddy becomes a hive mind with a female copy of his body. After one emotional fight with Chloe, they ignored the offerings of sex from some stripper friends and instead were going to have the female version blow the male's penis. As they are the the same person over two bodies, would this count for a unique case of A Date with Rosie Palms?

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flap flap meow
Feb 4th 2019 at 6:08:07 AM

[up] a lot, I was told that Canon Identifier "explicitly" permits non-video-game examples. But rereading the description several times, I still don't see it, and it doesn't actually have any non-video-game examples. Am I failing like a billion spot checks or was the explicit permission given somewhere else and I need to take this to the description improvement thread? Or is it just a case of "of course it allows non-video-game examples, why the hell would any person with sense think otherwise"?

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Pichu-kun ...
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Feb 4th 2019 at 8:14:00 AM

A troper deleted a lot off of RWBY's fanon page with the reason:

There's a lot of fanon misuse going on here. It's not for popular ways of depicting things in fanfics and fanarts, that basically classify as 'alternative universe', Shipping, or which may be fetish-fuel or WMG or character exaggeration — all these things have their own tropes. Fanon is supposed to be when the fandom fills out the gaps in the canon with fandom-created information that explains or expands the canon. There's also Ascended Fanon misuse going on. There's still a lot on this page that looks like misuse, where any popular fan theory is being labelled as fanon. Theories and fanon are different.

I don't know if this is correct or not. A lot of other series' pages contain similar content. Is that misuse then? I've always seen "fanon" described as non-canonical fan ideas that are commonplace amongst large sectors of a fandom.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Feb 4th 2019 at 10:19:28 AM

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Feb 4th 2019 at 8:30:20 AM

What is the purpose of a Fanon subpage anyway? To document every weird idea fans come up with? I don't see how that has anything to do with tropes.

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Crossover-Enthusiast Matryoshka Brain from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Matryoshka Brain
Feb 4th 2019 at 8:33:10 AM

For popular ideas in the fandom. Things that are so widespread and commonly believed that those unfamiliar with the work would mistake it for canon.

I wonder if spending three bucks for an app game is worth it?
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Feb 4th 2019 at 8:35:03 AM

I still don't get it. Well, we do have WMG, Headscratchers, and Fridge pages, which are equally irrelevant. I guess people just like to imagine that their ideas are real, and then that anyone else cares, and finally that those ideas should be written down on a wiki dedicated to tropes.

How in the world would one demonstrate that any particular ideas are "more popular" than others, though?

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 4th 2019 at 11:35:29 AM

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Feb 4th 2019 at 8:42:57 AM

I thought fanon was use for popular ideas that not indicated in canon.

Gacha Is A Lie.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Feb 4th 2019 at 8:46:31 AM

Fanon is for stuff that's commonly believed to be canon but is actually only widely believed audience speculation.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Feb 4th 2019 at 8:47:25 AM

Things that are so widespread and commonly believed that those unfamiliar with the work would mistake it for canon.
I think we call that Word of Dante.

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Feb 4th 2019 at 9:24:02 AM

[up]Thats mostly from people who work on the media.

Gacha Is A Lie.
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Feb 4th 2019 at 9:39:03 AM

from people who work on the media
That's Word of Saint Paul.

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