Is this an example?

Yeah, but a lot of FPP that arent pair up do become Official Couple.

Doesn't that just make them another example of the FPP becoming an Official Couple, then?

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 31st 2018 at 2:28:35 AM

Reposting from the previous page:

I'm thinking about adding some tropes Vanessa and the Witch Queen from Black Clover:

• Did You Just Flip Off Cthulhu?: Vanessa tells the powerful Witch Queen that the latter's not her mother anymore to her face and unleashes the Red String of Fate. The queen uses Blood Control on her but is quickly taken out.
• Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?: After Vanessa finally unlocks her Red String of Fate, she uses it to defeat the Witch Queen, who is powerful than her.
• Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: The Witch Queen manipulating Asta to try killing Noelle and taunting Vanessa over how she would return to the forest one day allows the latter to awaken her Red String of Fate and finish the Witch Queen off.

Thoughts about this?

Also, in Trivia.James And The Giant Peach, is the following What Could Have Been entry regarding Toots and the Upside Down House relevant enough to be kept?

Edited by gjjones on Dec 31st 2018 at 10:09:19 AM

Is Chancellor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious an example of a Karma Houdini Warranty?

Can you give some context?

The entry from the Karma Houdini Warranty page itself:

Palpatine himself is one when you view the movies in the numerical order. After gaining complete control of the Republic and turning it into the Empire, turning Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader, wiping out almost the entirety of the Jedi Order and dozens of other atrocities. In Return of the Jedi, Palpatine fails to turn Luke to the Dark Side and makes the mistake of attempting to electrocute Luke to death with Force lightning in front of Vader, which brings out the Light Side in him, and results in Palpatine being thrown down the Death Star's reactor shaft by the reformed Anakin.

From YMMV.Dragon Ball Super Broly.

More Popular Replacement: Even a lot of people who otherwise disliked Broly have admitted to preferring the new incarnation, due to tweaking his character to remove a lot of the more contentious elements (such as his infamous motivation involving Goku), and getting more characterization.

Replacement Scrappy: Bardock's incarnation from this film and Minus is still heavily disliked for replacing the iconic Dragon Ball Z: Bardock – The Father of Goku incarnation. The movie does at least somewhat pay respect to the original special by keeping Bardock's Last Stand intact, but even then many felt a lot of the build-up that made it so memorable to begin with was missing.

Is these being use correctly despite ot being base on the same character but portrayed differently.

Edited by WhirlRX on Dec 31st 2018 at 9:22:21 AM

The Palpatine example seems valid to me. If I'm understanding Karma Houdini Warranty correctly, it's basically, "evil/mean person goes a long time without getting punished for anything, but it finally catches up to them in the end."

@WhirlRX: Hmmm. Both of those entries seem like trope misuse to me. It's always been my understanding that More Popular Replacement and Replacement Scrappy specifically refer to different characters within the same setting, and not simply a new incarnation of the same character, although I'm not sure if there is actually a hard and fast rule about that. Still, though, the former entry seems like it might go better under Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, while the latter might go better under Base-Breaking Character.

Edited by StardustSoldier on Jan 1st 2019 at 12:02:41 PM

Regarding the definition of Humiliation Conga, the trope page mentions that it's when a villain gets their well-deserved humiliation after their evil plan has fallen apart. My question is, does the character have to be a villain for the trope to apply to them? Or can the character simply be a Jerkass? Because I've seen examples of Humiliation Conga applied to characters who were mean, but not full-on villains, although I'm not sure if that's actually how the trope is supposed to be used.

Edited by StardustSoldier on Jan 1st 2019 at 12:19:07 PM

Reposting from the previous pages:

Considering how often Narm is frequently misused, can I get confirmation as too whether this example from Mortal Engines is being used correctly?:

• Narm: The Movie. Mortal Engines' dialogue consists of wall-to-wall Stock Phrases uttered in complete and utter sincerity without even a hint of self-awareness about how ridiculous it ends up sounding. The only character to make this work to some extent is Hugo Weaving's Thaddeus Valentine, but coming from the rest it ruins much of what could've been a perfectly campy Steampunk opera.

Is this following example from Robin Hood (2018) being used correctly?:

• Snark Bait: The fact that this is yet another Hollywood adaptation of the Robin Hood tale made not long after Robin Hood (2010) and that it follows the trend of turning classic folk tales into stylized action-packed movies invites a number of jokes.

Does this anime fit the criteria for So Bad Its Horrible? I have never seen it, but I know of its existence and it seemed popular to me.

• Both seasons of the Diabolik Lovers anime try to be a Guilty Pleasure, but manage to fail even at that. They contain bland animation, extremely unlikable characters (the male leads are all creepy assholes and the female lead is supposed to be The Woobie but is as flat as cardboard personality-wise), loads of squick, boatloads of sexism, incredibly insensitive and disgusting attempts to fetishize Domestic Abuse and Stockholm Syndrome, and a stupid and contrived plot. Each episode's only about 15 minutes, but they feel like hours. Watch the Black Critic Guy's rant on it here.

Re: Humiliation Conga, while the trope does specify villains, I think it could be stretched to include Jerkasses too, if they're antagonists and this is their comeuppance, given the sections about how it might be used instead of death because of censors or because the weren't that evil, and in particular "very popular on kids' shows or a show with a general audience" where a mere jerkass may be the worst villain faced.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 1st 2019 at 1:57:39 PM

Okay, thank you. That makes sense.

Found this on Trivia.Transformers The Last Knight:

How is this a subversion? This sounds exactly like what this trope is.

So people have been adding the latest The Order of the Stick to its Wham Episode subpage because it reveals that the gods don't know about the planet inside the rifts. I don't think it qualifies, because the wham in question is a single panel in an otherwise unrelated story page.

Keep it or cut it?

I say cut because it doesn't explain how it unexpectedly radically alters the status quo.

The Last of Us Part II:

• Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: Between the increased emphasis on Humans Are the Real Monsters seen in the trailers, and Naughty Dog confirming that the main theme for the game is "Hate", it's likely that The Last of Us Part II will be significantly Darker and Edgier than the original, and that game was already very dark and bleak itself. The fact that the sequel seems to be going even further in that direction can make it difficult to care about the events simply because everything seems so grim and hopeless.

It seems wrong to label a not yet released work this. Cut or move to Tainted by the Preview?

It's likely that "it's likely that" are Weasel Words and a sign of Speculative Troping.

Cut.

From the recently launched Dumb, but Diligent:

• In Real Life, there are corporations who offer benefits for hiring high-functioning mentally handicapped people, giving them a simple job that keeps them busy, gives them a paycheck, interacting socially and otherwise stimulated.
• This seems to be the ideal in many American schools, with grading systems that often prioritize quantity (such as how many assignments are completed or how long a paper is) over quality in the schoolwork.

The first is not an example; the second is Flame Bait in addition to not being an example.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 2nd 2019 at 10:02:59 AM

Trivia.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 26 School Raze Part 2

• Too Soon: invoked Part of the reason why some thought that Cozy Glow being punished for her actions by being locked up in a cage in Tartarus was unfair is because a few months before this episode aired, the United States ICE began to face world-wide condemnation for forcibly separating the children of illegal immigrants from them and locking them in cages. Jim Miller even acknowleged how some would take offense even though the episode was created long before the issue came to light.

Besides these accusations being removed per ROCEJ and Word of God does't give that as the reason, I think it's misuse since Too Soon is about censorship so would only apply if they removed or altered the scene in response. Cut?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:54:42 AM

I know that Averted Tropes should almost never be listed, but what about Inverted Tropes? For example, with personality tropes. Is it worth listing inversions of Sassy Black Woman, Spicy Latina, or Fiery Redhead (aka, Shrinking Violet characters)?

^ - I'd say yes, no reason why not, unless it's already covered by its own page, or is a Rare Female Example or something.

From My Little Pony Equestria Girls 2013:

• Unintentional Period Piece: Camera phones? Check. High School Musical-esque songs? Check. Social media? Check. Email? Check. Dated to mid-2010s series-wide.

Cut.

None of that suggests anything as unintentional nor blatant as the trope requires.

Also

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 2nd 2019 at 7:34:08 AM

I'm migrating examples from the Rune Factory series page to the individual game pages and

• Incest Is Relative: If you marry Dorothy in Rune Factory 2 and have a son, he can court Cammy—Dorothy's younger sister, which would make her your son's aunt.

Incest Is Relative is an index, not a trope. But we don't seem to have a trope that covers this scenario. While it's technically an aunt and a nephew, they're roughly the same age — does that mean it can go under Kissing Cousins or what?

i kinda want to just delete it entirely because i hate thinking about incest but that's definitely not how this wiki works