Is this an example?

Occidensill removed this example from YMMV.Tomb Raider 2018 with the edit reason: "What is the implication that's unfortunate?" Just wondering if it's worth restoring.

Is the Ojou trope only for Japanese works? Can it apply to western works as well?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Is the citation reliable?

Edited by WhirlRX on Dec 25th 2018 at 3:24:56 PM

Slate's a pretty big news publication, so I'd say yes.

Edited by Primis on Dec 25th 2018 at 1:30:45 PM

I'm thinking about adding some tropes Vanessa and the Witch Queen from Black Clover:

• Did You Just Flip Off Cthulhu?: Vanessa tells the powerful Witch Queen that the latter's not her mother anymore to her face and unleashes the Red String of Fate. The queen uses Blood Control on her but is quickly taken out.
• Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?: After Vanessa finally unlocks her Red String of Fate, she uses it to defeat the Witch Queen, who is powerful than her.
• Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: The Witch Queen manipulating Asta to try killing Noelle and taunting Vanessa over how she would return to the forest one day allows the latter to awaken her Red String of Fate and finish the Witch Queen off.

Thoughts about this?

Also, in Trivia.James And The Giant Peach, is the following What Could Have Been entry regarding Toots and the Upside Down House relevant enough to be kept?

Edited by gjjones on Dec 25th 2018 at 2:04:45 PM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Reposting from the previous page:

Considering how often Narm is frequently misused, can I get confirmation as too whether this example from Mortal Engines is being used correctly?:

• Narm: The Movie. Mortal Engines' dialogue consists of wall-to-wall Stock Phrases uttered in complete and utter sincerity without even a hint of self-awareness about how ridiculous it ends up sounding. The only character to make this work to some extent is Hugo Weaving's Thaddeus Valentine, but coming from the rest it ruins much of what could've been a perfectly campy Steampunk opera.

Tastes Like Diabetes is supposed to be about works that are insanely cute at the expense of quality, so is this example from Love, Simon being used correctly since it only says that people found the ending unrealistic:

• Tastes Like Diabetes: The film's happy ending has garnered this reaction to some who find it a bit unrealistic, particularly Abby, Nick, Leah, and the other students clapping and cheering as Simon and Bram kiss, but it is still regarded as significant for a film made by a major studio and in line with the film's message that everyone deserves a great love story.

Is this following example from Robin Hood (2018) being used correctly?:

• Snark Bait: The fact that this is yet another Hollywood adaptation of the Robin Hood tale made not long after Robin Hood (2010) and that it follows the trend of turning classic folk tales into stylized action-packed movies invites a number of jokes.

Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic IDW Issue 48 To 50:

• Broken Aesop: The entire story arc builds up the idea that Accord's absolute order is just as disharmonic as Discord's absolute chaos because harmony is a mixture of chaos and order and thus an absolute of either is just as bad. Being convinced of this is the entire reason that Accord agrees to turn back into Discord. This Aesop is completely shattered by the fact the Elements of Harmony don't work on Accord because he's absolute order, meaning that harmony IS absolute order after all, at least as far as the Elements, the uncontested ultimate arbiters of Harmony until now, are concerned.

Broken Aesop requires the Elements have the Omniscient Morality License as opposed to being fallible tools, which is fan assumption as they show has never explain their working (it's explained why they didn't work here by Accord, who may have been biased). The complaints about them not working like expected is a different issue. Cut?

Put under Weird Al Effect in the Atop the Fourth Wall

• Inverted whenever 90s Kid appears. Many people assume that's Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" playing in the background, but Lovhaug actually uses the Weird Al parody "Smells Like Nirvana."

I'm not sure if this counts as neither song is attributed to Linkara himself, and I am not sure if this page allows inversions anyway. The straight examples I added, "I am a man" and "It's magic, I don't have to explain it", are phrases that people mistakenly attribute to Linkara.

I was going to add this to Live-Action TV, but am uncertain if these qualify:

• In The Netherlands, there were plans to air Arrow and The Flash (2014) under one umbrella title, even though The Flash (2014) is a spin-off that debuted during Arrow's second season. This would have made it a Compilation Movie of sorts.

and:

• Better Call Saul was meant to have a Bottle Episode with only Saul and Mike as the only characters, but this was cut for time and Pacing Problems.

Would the first one be a Compilation Movie, and does the second fit OK with the What Could Have Been trope?

First one is not a Compilation Movie, but might fit as a Macekre. Second one looks okay to me.

The first one can't be Compilation Movie or Macekre because it violates the No Speculation rules. Also, it sounds like they're just replacing Arrowverse with another term, and making it part of the series name, like Star Trek does for its spin-offs.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Dec 27th 2018 at 5:59:23 AM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Can a Base-Breaking Character count under Alas, Poor Scrappy?

Edited by Pichu-kun on Dec 28th 2018 at 7:31:09 AM

Base-Breaking Character isn't a Scrappy. That precludes Alas, Poor Scrappy in my opinion (because a significant fraction of the audience is actually disappointed for their death).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Is this an example?

Frozen - Hans:

• Ambiguous Disorder: In A Frozen Heart, the way his thoughts are fleshed out after learning of his backstory, it's very likely that Hans suffers from depression with Self-Harm and what strongly appear to be contemplations of suicide. However, no specific diagnosis is ever mentioned in the story.

It was removed with the explanation "the only ambiguity was in that the depression is implied rather than explicitly-stated". I thought this is what the trope is about - some disorder being implied rather than explicitly stated and named. Do I misunderstand the meaning of the trope?

Edited by Asherinka on Dec 28th 2018 at 12:44:37 PM

A while back, there was a disagreement about a Franchise Original Sin entry in Avatar: The Last Airbender; full discussion here. While the original entry was both meandering and way over the line, I think there is some merit to it. My proposal:

• Franchise Original Sin: The franchise's use Deus ex Machina began in ATLA, when an all-too-convenient collision with a rock formation re-opened Aang's blocked chakra, allowing him to regain the use of the Avatar State just in time. This bad habit would pop up in the rest of the franchise, often at the expense of characterization.

While ATLA didn't usually have a problem with ex-machinas, this instance is particularly egregious, since every other mental block or physical shortcoming of the cast were addressed during the course of the series. In my opinion, the series can't have both the cake (introducing a guru to help Aang unlock his chakras) and eat it (having the blocked chakra unlocked by a lucky hit at the exact time the Firelord is about to kill him).

LOK continues this tradition. One of the most common complaints about the season one ending is that it's a glaring DeM. The following seasons took all that up to eleven instead of dialing it down.

In my opinion, this is a point worth addressing.

- Fly, robin, fly! - ...I'm trying!

I'm not sure this is puzzle-y enough, but she does require the use of highly specific tactics, instead of being possible to beat with a wide variety of tactics.

VideoGame.Eternal Senia Hydrangea After The Rain:

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So, I want to ask about Harry in Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, namely whether he is The Fettered, The Unfettered or neither. Some people apparently see him as the The Unfettered due to his determination to bring Hermione back to life. The quote under the trope example read as follows:

"Harry would learn whatever he had to learn, invent whatever he had to invent, rip the knowledge of Salazar Slytherin from the Dark Lord's mind, discover the secret of Atlantis, open any gates or break any seals necessary, find his way to the root of all magic and reprogram it.He would rip apart the foundations of reality itself to get Hermione Granger back."

I don't think it makes him The Unfettered though, just really determined. I mean, in one of later chapter he states that he will not try to ressurect Hermione if that means killing two other people, because that would be losing on a utalitarian scale. Harry will not step outside of his moral boundaries for personal reasons. And those boundaries are actually quite restrictive, because while they allow things like killing and mind control in specific circumstances, they don't allow any harmful deed that is less than necessary, even in the name of something like justice.

"The past was past. You did what you had to do, and you didn't do one scrap of harm more than that. Not even to balance things out, and make it all symmetrical. The children's children's children wouldn't want Voldemort to die, even if his minions had. They wouldn't want Voldemort to hurt, if it didn't accomplish anything compared to him not hurting."

I would argue that it makes him The Fettered, just not a conventional one. What will you say?

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.

Thank you.

I'll add that to WhatCouldHaveBeen.Live Action TV for Better Call Saul.

Before I add any of these to The Stations of the Canon, would these be examples:

• For Doctor Who Eleventh Doctor Fan Fic generally tends to follow the pattern of the events of "The Eleventh Hour", followed by "The Beast Below" and the next three episodes, even though events happen slightly differently, although from then on things tend to diverge, often very great changes, but canon is a loose thing in Doctor Who anyway.
  • Fan Fic focusing on Clara Oswin will always have the events of "Asylum of the Daleks" and "The Snowmen", even if it's For Want Of A Nail, but the same basic changes apply.

and one I added earlier:

• The Catch tends to follow only one station of the canon; the scene from the pilot episode where Alice Vaughan poses as a gallery employee to arrest an art thief, and then her walking into Anderson-Vaughan Investigations. However, the small fandom the show has tends to keep certain things close to canon whilst changing others completely, making this a Zig-Zagging Trope.

I wasn't sure if this qualified, but decided to add it anyway.

Other examples I was considering adding (none of these are Entry Pimp for any works):

• Better Call Saul always has to have Saul Goodman working under the alias Gene in Cinnabon in Nebraska and most of the events of Season 1, even if things are changed For Want Of A Nail or In Spite of a Nail.
• Legends of Tomorrow fanfics will always tend to have these features:
  • Ava Sharpe is always from a Clone Army, but her being a Badass Gay and generally being a lesbian (which is in canon) is sometimes changed.
  • Rip Hunter will always gather the team to prevent a Bad Future created by Vandal Savage.
  • The events of Invasion! will always get a mention, somehow.

I'd say Hans having an Ambiguous Disorder count, but only if the parts diagnosing him as depressed are removed. Self-diagnosing characters is not allowed on Ambiguous Disorder. You only list symptoms.

From YMMV.Zombie Land Saga.

Internet Backdraft: After Lily was revealed to be a trans girl, rumors spread that Crunchyroll had edited the subtitles to change her from a crossdresser to a trans girl and seemingly rewrote the story for the sake of modern western politics. Controversies spread over whether it was real or a mistake, with many reactions that should be kept at a minimum here. Eventually though, things died down and it was revealed that Lily being trans was the intention in the original writing; if anything, the subs actually downplayed it a bit.

I don't know whats the backlash. Is it that a character is transgender? Would that make transphobic? The misconception of false info on the character and presumption of making an agenda?

^ I don't watch the anime but I do know of the controversy. The character is a trans girl but many anime fans don't believe it. They cite that the character is a Wholesome Crossdresser and trying to pin them as transgender is a case of western Values Dissonance. It's not—the character is clearly meant to be trans. Transgender characters are a thing in Japanese media after all.

I guess how its written and how fast it went makes it very confusing for me.

Related, would Fandom Berserk Button work for fans who accept Lily as she is and get mad when others call her a trap or crossdresser?

Also would Common Knowledge for those misconceptions?

Edited by WhirlRX on Dec 29th 2018 at 10:56:35 AM

For Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, he only counts as The Fettered, but leave The Unfettered commented out with the following note: "Harry would not try to ressurect Hermione if that means killing two other people, because that would be losing on a utalitarian scale. Because Harry would not step outside of his moral boundaries, he is fettered."

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Violates Examples Are Not General and Example Indentation. Examples should be from specific works, not "all Doctor Who fanfiction". Same goes for the Saul and Legends of Tomorrow suggestions. Fandoms and audience reactions aren't part of the definition. Either cut the last line or make it a statement about the show itself. Also, include which canon that The Catch diverges from.

Edited by crazysamaritan on Dec 29th 2018 at 12:26:57 PM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

re: HPMOR

He started as The Fettered and became The Unfettered when Hermione died? I'm not super familiar with those tropes but things like that are possible.

e: Oh but somehow my brain didn't see the above post, yeah if there's literally anything he wouldn't do then he's not unfettered.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Dec 29th 2018 at 9:27:07 AM

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

No. The Stations of the Canon says, "Examples should be of works whose fanfic show this tendency, rather than individual fanfics." The specific work the trope example is about is the source work, not the individual fanfics.

However, "events of this episode/season" isn't particularly useful. What events? The Stations of the Canon is about specific events that tend to show up in such fanfics.

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