Is this an example?

Correct. Torch 'em.

From Values Dissonance:

• The oft-circulated clip where the parents talk about the mall Santa having a fatal heart attack while their kindergarten-aged daughter was sitting on his knee (the parents joke about the reindeer pulling a pine box). A sitcom today wouldn't do this, as many places in the UK and USA have banned children from sitting on the laps of mall Santas because of sexual molestation and pedophilia fears.

Is this ban commonplace enough to count as Values Dissonance? I've never heard any places around me ban sitting on Santa's lap.

YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic IDW Annual 2013

• Fanfic Fuel: The Mythology Gag of Megan, Danny, and Molly being mentioned and a book in the Canterlot library mentioning her by name implying Megan not only exists in the G4 universe, but ventured to Equestria at some point and left enough of an impact to have a book dedicated to her is a tantalizing bit of information for fanfic writers.

If no fan-works have (to my knowledge) followed up on this, does it count? I think it was just hype from one troper that didn't pan out. Should Fanfic Fuel wait until enough fan work has emerged to say this is the case?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 10th 2018 at 10:30:23 AM

I thought Fanfic Fuel was for concepts that fan writers would sink their teeth into, not if anyone actually does so.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Dec 11th 2018 at 3:35:11 PM

How can well tell if it's tantalizing if they don't follow it up? Wouldn't not following it up show it wasn't actually this?

If it is tantalizing someone would have followed up on it right?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 11th 2018 at 12:32:02 PM

^ - There's been a few, but not sure how many inspired by that.

Look up Megan in Fimfiction.net.

Is this Accent Slip-Up or Accent Relapse? While the character is a spy, he is never outed, and his accent change is more from being drunk, so I don't know which it falls under.

• In SeriesM*A*S*H episode "Dear Comrade" where the narrating character, Kwang, is a new houseboy Dr. Charles Winchester hires to clean around his area, get his food, ect, and is a North Korean spy. When he talks with the Americans, Kwang uses broken English as is stereotypical of an Asian learning English second. In the final scene when he is celebrating with the doctors drinking some good whiskey, he ends up speaking better English than previously shown. The doctors, while thoroughly inebriated as well, take note but Kwang simply states it is the good whiskey.

The character doesn't hang around long enough to establish that they're no longer trying to keep the accent, so only Accent Slip-Up due to alcohol applies, IMO.

I've seen a lot of FIM works that use Megan and occasionally Danny, but none seem influenced by the comic and most predate it.

Still, I think that counts as Fanfic Fuel since it's an idea that can prompt a lot of fan-works.

Overshadowed by Controversy

• YouTube, although being ranked as the second most popular website in the world, has come under fire in subsequent years due to its extremely flawed copyright system, the strict policies regarding advertiser-friendly content, the staff's seemingly lenient attitude towards several of the above controversies (most notably Logan Paul and PewDiePie), and their extremely problematic relationship with content creators.

If it's still this popular, I don't think we can call it overshadowed. Thoughts?

Toss that right out the window.

Regarding CN City, does this fit Economy Cast?

• Because every city-goer was a named character from a CN show, a few had to pull double duty and take certain jobs; Ed worked as a busboy, Him worked at a barbershop, and Buck Tudrussel ran a gym.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Dec 11th 2018 at 5:19:45 AM

I knew there was a better trope for that example, but I just couldn't remember what it was. Go for it!

Also, why exactly were the Uncomfortable Elevator Moment examples removed?

Edited by Noah1 on Dec 11th 2018 at 6:24:13 AM

They were Zero-Context Examples.

Regarding the Counterpart Comparison entries on YMMV.Mary Poppins Returns, can one really compare the movie to Return to Oz, if the tonal shift between Mary Poppins and Mary Poppins Returns feels much less drastic than that between The Wizard of Oz and Return to Oz (which might even belong to two different genres)? The more I've heard about Mary Poppins Returns, the less it sounds like a Truer to the Text adaptation of the Mary Poppins books.

Edited by dsneybuf on Dec 12th 2018 at 10:18:21 AM

@ dsneybuf: That's misuse Counterpart Comparison is supposed to be about audiences comparing different characters to each other, not different works.

Do the following examples from Robin Hood (2018) have enough context?:

• So Bad, It's Good: The movie either just straight up sucks, or it's wonderfully enjoyable with how much it sucks. It's really up for you to decide.
• What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: By the end, the final battle between the Merry Men and the Sheriff's forces might as well be a G8 meeting with crossbows.

Does this example from Mortal Engines have enough context?:

• Hand Cannon: Wielded by several characters, Thaddeus's in particular operates as a hand-sized minigun.

Also does this example from Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald count as a Series Continuity Error, considering a)It's never been established before in the Harry Potter books/movies what kind of clothing Dumbledore wore in the 1920's and b)It's entirely possible for him to have changed his fashion sense in the decades between of Crimes of Grindelwald and Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone?:

• Series Continuity Error: Dumbledore — like all of the other wizards in this movie — wears a Muggle-style suit and tie instead of his Robe and Wizard Hat from the Harry Potter series.

'Kay, I deleted both of those Counterpart Comparison entries. The Return to Oz one ended with some spoiler-tagged natter, anyway.^note Does a wolf chase scene really sound as scary as getting trapped 70 years in the past, cut off from your loved ones?

By the time the heroes find the MacGuffin, they've already realized on their own that they no longer need it, or that they never needed it anyway. Would this be It's the Journey That Counts?

Trope Finder.

Also seems like it'd depend on the purpose of the MacGuffin.

In Anime Chinese Girl, what's the origin of the Luahua Stock Foreign Name for Chinese people?

Is it a distortion of Mulan?

Because these don't seem to have enough context?

Crosswicked between Anime Chinese Girl and Literature.Whateley Universe:

Edited by Malady on Dec 15th 2018 at 8:58:21 AM

Does it count as "The Reason You Suck" Speech if it turns out that the one making the speech was wrong about the one being called out?

"One thing all five types of speech have in common is that the speaker has a point..."

I interpret that as they have to be correct, or at least mostly correct.

So it would be a subversion then?

Can't say without context.

Found this on Higher Learning while disambiguating the links to The Birth of a Nation (1915):

• Something Completely Different: In this film, we are presented with something not seen in a mainstream American film since The Birth of a Nation 80 years earlier: white-supremacist characters who are actually relatable and semi-sympathetic (though without the blatant hero-worship of D. W. Griffith's film, of course). We get a definite sense of what prompted Remy's Face–Heel Turn and why he would think himself justified in his attitudes and actions. It could even be argued that this film helped to set the stage for American History X three years later, in which the skinhead is actually redeemed.