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...How is Undertale an Unintentional Period Piece?
IIRC, Disney movies set in the "present" are assumed to be set in the year they were released, effectively making them Period Pieces.
The entry says that it makes references to Tumblrisms of 2015, if I'm not mistaken.
Frankly, more tumblrisms of 2015 are references to Undertale than referenced by it.
From YMMV.Zombieland Saga.
While Tae hasnt gotten a main focus yet, she is part of the main cast and wonder if that disqualified her for the trope. This was add in, deleted and added back.
From the general section of the anime manga page of Values Dissonance:
This example feel off and maybe nattery. Isn't the issue more complicated than just the age of consent? I thought it was more in relation to the age of majority.
Why do we even have general examples of that trope? They are explicitly forbidden by our policy.
Many of the Values Dissonance pages have General sections. They've been there for years, so I assume they've just been treated as exceptions to the rule.
I'm not aware of any exception being made, but I haven't searched for it.
Many general "examples" have been there for years, as well as other errors, but that doesn't make them legitimate examples.
Bringing up these from Robin Hood (2018):
Considering how often Narm is frequently misused, can I get confirmation as too whether these examples are being used correctly:
Does this example have enough context?:
Given that YMMV examples can't be played with, is this example being misused:
In Issue 57 of the MLP comics, Pinkie Pie threatens to use her new chairs powers in the real world when she takes over diamond's dimension. She turned herself into Chaos Princess Pinkie who is an alicorn. Does this count as Pinkie Pie Superpowered Chaotic Side or Evil Side?
That looks like an In-Universe example of Unintentionally Unsympathetic, not Lampshade Hanging.
- Because it seems that Robin was trying to be a sympathetic figure but unintentionally failed.
And it's not a lampshading, as much as it is a laying out of the facts.
Oh I thought he was talking about my post
- Superpowered Chaotic Side is not a thing, only Superpowered Evil Side is?
Edited by Malady on Dec 4th 2018 at 10:02:46 AM
I know but it kinda leans more towards one than the other
^Pinkie sounds like she's merely Drunk with Power. That trope will cover it if it's not already listed.
It saying they're downplayed is already a flag for removing. P3 the are called out on and ultimately don't go through with it. Half of P5 is arguing against itself. P4 I don't know but it doesn't explain why they are supposed to be viewed as in the right despite this as opposed to flawed heroes. Any objections to cutting?
If there are defenders, that sounds more like Broken Base. Cut? Since IB is by definition complaining, why's it worth keeping if it doesn't fit a complaint sub-trope like Unfortunate Implications and Overshadowed by Controversy?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 5th 2018 at 3:05:09 AM
The Persona examples are definite misuse. Designated Hero is not any hero that isn't 100% flawless, it's when the audience feels that a hero is not heroic at all. I don't remember Persona 3: The Answer very well, but IIRC Yukari and Mitsuru are portrayed as being in the wrong in that scenario (since you have to fight them in a boss battle), and they apologize for their actions afterwards. In Persona 4, we have teens being teens vs. a serial killer... the heroes are pretty clear-cut there. In Persona 5, the morality of using brainwashing is actually explored by the narrative (the answer it gives you is that the bad guys are so evil that any harm you might do by brainwashing them is outweighed by the harm they're currently doing and will continue to do).
I don't think these YMMV.The Good Place examples qualify but want to get second opinions, as they are discussed in-story; the first example doesn't seem like an example at all and Chidi saw what he was doing to others but refused to change, while Tahani knew why she was doing what she did and didn't change, in the second example Chidi told a white lie out of social niceties, which was stated in-show, but obsessed over it and revealing the truth after committing to the lie hurt his friend more than letting it go or telling him straight-out, and the third example is mentioned in-universe as described in the example, but also isn't set in stone as the season and show is not over yet—for all we know they do fix the system.
Also they're kinda written poorly.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Dec 5th 2018 at 4:15:28 AM
I added this to Wooden Katanas Are Even Better, but on looking at the trope again, I'm realizing it may not be an example. I think it's a mix of overzealous troping (I just made the work page) and running on the misconception that the trope was the weapon being given special prominence, but I thought I'd pop it in here for a second opinion, just in case there might yet be something tropeable.
Maybe a subversion? It's certainly presented as the trope, with how the bokken is talked up, but it's ineffectual and Played for Laughs.
Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 5th 2018 at 6:04:52 AM
I'm thinking about adding the following Role-Ending Misdemeanor example:
No. It's about ending their entire career, not just a few games.
Does a fandom wikia blogger count as a legitimate source for Unfortunate Implications as one is being used for 'Ready Player One (2018)
No since iys not reliable.
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