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- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
From the RoleEndingMisdemeanor.Sports page:
- Jim Tressel was a popular football coach at both Youngstown State University and Ohio State University. In May 2011, however, his coaching career came to an end when the NCAA investigated improper benefits violations involving some of the Ohio State football players during the previous season, accusing Tressel of withholding information from them. Once Tressel resigned from Ohio State, the NCAA imposed a show-cause penalty on him for five years and placed Ohio State's program on probation for two years. Tressel became the president of Youngstown State and retired from coaching altogether in July 2014.
Is this being used correctly?
Edited by gjjones on Nov 29th 2018 at 8:51:43 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.I honestly dont think Genres would be examples of Franchise original sin.
Under Two Decades Behind:
- The American movie theater chain Harkins Theatres still has their employment applications done on paper; meaning you would have to drive to a theater to pick one up, fill it out with pen, and drive back to deliver it. This process is incredibly tedious since most companies today have abandoned this method in favor of online applications which are much faster and easier to do.
Is this really that rare?
I'm not sure that trope should even have real life examples. It's supposed to be about how TV lags behind in current trends and fail to accurately depict those trends, not about some company, country, or whatever using technology that isn't up to date. That's not being dated; that's just being how it currently is there. Most of the time there's a reason for it, even if it's just tradition.
I don't think Franchise Original Sin can apply to genres either. If it's a new work, there's nothing that says they need to use those flaws. The trope is about something that's actually there from the start, and isn't removed because the creator either fails to recognise it or don't want to, and later on become more prominent. For an original work, you have to put in the effort to place it there in the first place, which means the creator put it there because they think it works, and not because it's always been there.
Check out my fanfiction!@Anddrix Honestly, I do find some of the examples well-written (with special mention towards the Miramax Films one). The problem is that, well, they're not examples.
I'm inclined to disagree. The examples shown effectively hit the spirit of the trope (an element of something the grew away from its balancing factors and became a more glaring flaw), and tell me that the definition can be expanded to include genre examples.
An open mind and compassionate heart are among the most important qualities we can have.In Fairy Tail, Layla Heartfilia dies in the backstory, leaving Lucy and Jude as the last living members of the Heartfilia family. After the Sirius Island arc, Jude is dead and Lucy is the last living member of the Heartfilias. Does that count as a Last of Her Kind example?
Edited by gjjones on Nov 29th 2018 at 11:27:17 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.No. Last of His Kind requires a bit bigger scale than a three person household.
Emphasis mine.
This might mean that they're the last survivor of a particular society or secret order, but for full effect they are actually the last of an entire civilization, or even biological species.
I suppose last of a very unique or special bloodline could work, but I don't recall the Heartfilias being that special.
Christy Marx apparently mentioned that thinks Kimber/Stormer as a pairing is a natural progression of their close friendship... So, is that essentially a Word of Gay or is it too vague?
Is Ralph Breaks The Internet an Unintentional Period Piece or is it too intentionally of its time?
WesternAnimation.My Little Pony The Movie 2017
- Traveling at the Speed of Plot: Tempest captures Twilight, departs by airship, and is almost back at Canterlot before the rest of the Mane Six are even aware of what had occurred. Yet, they not only manage to arrive shortly after Tempest's ship on hoof, they've also found time to bake a cake large enough to conceal Princess Skystar, Captain Celaeno and her crew.
I deleted the "almost back at Canterlot" part since it's likely just an editing trick (we cut back in time to their realizing) since Spike would get them as soon as Twilight was captured, minutes tops. And if the airship made it back in minutes, the Mane Six making it back as fast wouldn't be that inconstant which is what this trope is about.
The troper who added the entry added the "almost back at Canterlot" back without explanation. I PM'd them about it but haven't heard back. I also asked ATT but haven't heard anything.
Do edits count towards Traveling at the Speed of Plot? Is there anything suggesting or saying that they didn't realize Twilight was captured before nearing Canterlot? Any reason not to remove the "almost back at Canterlot" part since it's a valid example otherwise?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 30th 2018 at 5:18:47 AM
It can't be an Unintentional Period Piece if we're still in the period it take place. If we aren't, and it's a past setting to start with, then it can't be unintentional.
Also, from the page itself, emphasis mine:
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 30th 2018 at 4:03:58 AM
In Sailor Moon R, Rubeus gives Petz, one of the Four Spectre Sisters, a stick that magnifies her electric powers. Eventually, she goes insane to the point of blasting Calaveras, Koan and Berthier with Dark Thunder and laughing maniacally.
Would that count as examples of either Sanity Slippage, Ax-Crazy or Drunk on the Dark Side?
Edited by gjjones on Dec 1st 2018 at 1:51:26 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.As described, I'm inclined towards Drunk on the Dark Side. However, it might be important to note if it is the wand causing her madness or the rush of power.
If she's not there already might also look into Psycho Electro.
- Kicked Upstairs: Despite being a past Gym Leader, Koga does not show up for the Pokémon World Tournament due to being an Elite Four now. Because Blue and Wallace show up in the Champions tournament, this also makes him the only Gym Leader or ex-Gym Leader in the franchise up to that point who isn't in Black 2 and White 2.
My impression is that Kicked Upstairs is done to deliberately remove them from influence. Is incidental removal an example?
So this is listed as an example of Mundane Utility in Minecraft:
- Steve? and Alex?, the Player Characters, can dig to a depth of around 80 meters using only their hands, can place physics-defying chunks of land for use as decoration, and can swim up waterfalls to get to the top of their houses.
Does someone else understand how this is supposed to be the trope? Because I completely don't.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Dec 1st 2018 at 1:10:43 AM
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.Yes. Its more aboit giving them a higher position so they wont cause trouble.
x17. So are any of the Franchise Original Sin worth keeping, or are they all misused?
I actually discussed this with Septimus Heap. He posited moving the examples to a hypothetical new trope in TLP, but I admitted that (since I cannot think of any other examples of "Genre Original Sin") it seemed more practical to lump them back into FOS in the form of folders at the top of the pages. Again, I consider the spirit of the trope more important than the letter.
Edited by Noah1 on Dec 1st 2018 at 10:40:42 AM
An open mind and compassionate heart are among the most important qualities we can have.It's not an example. If anything, it's the opposite of the trope: mundane abilities used in awesome ways.
CCIB removed this example from Pushover Parents in July with the edit reason "There's nothing in the series pointing to this trope." In "The New Lars", Lars' parents at least seemed timid and unwilling to discipline him.
- Lars' parents from Steven Universe. They appear to be kind of scared of him, as they're not only stated to give in to a lot of his demands without question, but speak to him quite timidly.
I'm not sure about the "they're not only stated to give in to a lot of his demands without question" (it's been ages since I've seen the episode), but from what I remember I think they qualify. The example could use a little rewrite, though.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Dec 1st 2018 at 1:24:28 PM
Jawbreakers on sale for 99ยขOn Unintentional Period Piece, there's a 2010s section already. Ralph Breaks The Internet is full to the brim with 2018 trends and references, which seems to make it a prime example. The question, however, is if it's actually unintentional.
Anyway, what's the difference between a video game Urban Legend and an Urban Legend of Zelda? Would Link and Zelda from A Link To The Past being siblings be an Urban Legend or Urban Legend of Zelda?
From what I can recall, the first movie takes place in 2012, since in-universe, Fix-it Felix (the game) was created in 1982 and it celebrated its 30th anniversary. The sequel explicitly takes place six years later, making it set in 2018, and thus an intentional Period Piece.
Edited by TroperNo9001 on Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:18:06 AM
"Rarity, are you okay? We gotta get you and your friends outta here soon!"Period Piece means it takes place in the past, which Ralph Breaks the Internet doesn't. I've seen other recent works described as Unintentional Period Pieces, like The Emoji Movie and Undertale, but I think this is misuse; "this will be outdated in the future" seems like Speculative Troping.
Keet cleanup
Franchise Original Sin is supposed to be about an ignored flaw that was in one installment of a work being made more prominent in a later installment. So do these examples count considering their talking about either a flaw in one work being made more prominent in a different unrelated works in the same genre, or a flaw in one creator's work being made more prominent in a different work by the same creator regardless if it's in the same franchise or not:
Unfortunately, their success also planted the idea that having a film win critical acclaim and clean house at awards shows could rake in just as much money as having it open big at #1 its first weekend. The Weinsteins would essentially build their entire business model on that premise, with some very controversial behind-the-scenes efforts devoted to ensuring that their films got recognized at the Academy Awards. The English Patient and Shakespeare in Love ended up winning Best Picture over Fargo and Saving Private Ryan thanks to those efforts, resulting in two of the most controversial Award Snubs in the history of the Oscars. To make matters worse, plenty of other studios proved eager to beat Miramax at its own game, producing a slew of depressing, ambitious, and self-consciously "weighty" dramas during the winter months designed to pander to the tastes of film critics and Academy voters (specifically, the "old guard" whose formative cinematic experiences came in the '60s and '70s), which often wound up just as hollow and formulaic as the crowd-pleasing blockbusters released during the summer months. In the modern age of the Oscars, "genre" films are all but excluded from upper-tier awards for Directing, Writing, and Acting, and you can nearly always tell when a studio is banking on an Oscar by watching for the obligatory scenes devoted to showing off an actor's range.
The Nostalgia Chick puts the origin of Oscar bait further back, citing The Deer Hunter as the first film to use its award success to fuel its financial success rather than the other way around. It pioneered the release tactic employed by many later Oscar bait films (a limited release in Los Angeles to meet the barest minimum requirements for nomination, then opening in wide release after it had the hype of an Oscar nod behind it), giving a big boost to a critically-acclaimed yet difficult-to-market film, one that other studios took notice of in the years to come.
But in the 2000s, such major movie franchises attracted buzz because they were fairly rare occurrences, and movie studios only really gave the "franchise treatment" to intellectual properties that could be justifiably seen as deserving several Epic Films. The Lord of the Rings was based on a trilogy of beloved fantasy novels that had been popular for nearly 50 years before they were made into movies, the Star Wars prequels were follow-ups to the most popular film saga in cinematic history, the Harry Potter films were based on one of the most massively popular book series of the 20th century, and The Matrix didn't get its two sequels greenlit until film critics started hailing it as one of the best American science-fiction films since Star Wars. And even when they did support movie franchises, studios generally knew when to stop, and only did as many movies as it took to tell a story.
In the 2010s, some moviegoers are understandably wary of franchise films when they account for around three-fourths of the films at the box office, when studios occasionally try to keep franchises going indefinitely, and when they fill movies with obvious padding to justify stretching one movie into several parts. Compare those aforementioned films to franchises like Twilight, The Hunger Games and The Hobbit, which got much more divisive receptions when they tried to stretch their final installments into bloated two-part epics—or, in the case of The Hobbit, tried to stretch a fairly short novel into a trilogy of films that ran nearly three hours apiece. Also compare those films to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, which has faced some backlash for jumping straight into a Batman/Superman crossover before even giving Man of Steel a proper sequel or Batman his own movie, and for shoehorning Wonder Woman and Aquaman into the story just to make it easier to set up a future Justice League movie. Even the critically acclaimed Marvel Cinematic Universe has been criticized for trying to plan additional movies over a decade in advance, as if their movies couldn't possibly fall out of popularity before then. And while Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens was a big hit with audiences, the announcement that Lucasfilm will now release at least one new Star Wars movie every year has been much more divisive, with cynical fans pointing out that the series can't possibly stay fresh forever.