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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#6726: Nov 8th 2018 at 3:17:43 PM

[up] Common Knowledge also requires it to be common.

Batman's very mainstream, and Catwoman's hardly an obscure character. Eartha Kitt's portrayal was fifty years ago, and she wasn't even the only woman to portray Catwoman on that show. I'm sure there are some people that think this, but it's hardly Common Knowledge.

It's different from, say, Nick Fury. Unless you were already a Marvel Comics fan, you almost certainly didn't know who Nick Fury was until the MCU, so it's entirely reasonable for most people to think he's always been black.

Edited by Primis on Nov 8th 2018 at 4:21:12 AM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6727: Nov 8th 2018 at 4:43:44 PM

I don't think the knowledge about Catwoman's race is common enough, whether true or false. It's just not a significant part of her character. A lot of people know it's not consistent, at any rate, so I don't think the example holds up.

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
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#6728: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:00:20 PM

In Volume 2 of Lord Marksman And Vanadis, the Tatra Fortress' entrance consists of oak planks in between sheets of metal, which can be easily destroyed by a combined attack and leave it open for enemy forces to attack, as what Tigre and Elen did to have their forces invade it during their battle in Olmütz. Would that count as a Failsafe Failure?

Edited by gjjones on Nov 8th 2018 at 1:01:19 PM

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Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#6729: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:38:07 AM

[up][up] Maybe it's too subjective a thing to be posted on the page. Different people think different things so it's too mixed to be Common Knowledge.

I've seen many people that were young when the 60s show came out that they don't even remember a Catwoman on the show besides Eartha; she was the second Darrin but I'd say she's more recognizable than her predecessors. It could be an age thing.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#6730: Nov 9th 2018 at 10:52:54 AM

[up]Yeah, I agree it's too mixed, and the trope isn't, "some people have the facts wrong".

[up][up]I don't think it's a failsafe as much as a plain barrier. A failsafe is a kind of protection in case something goes wrong with a device. This if anything is just the device. A failsafe would be something that activates if that entrance fails its purpose.

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#6731: Nov 9th 2018 at 12:46:14 PM

The only version of Catwoman that I'm familiar with is the Catwoman featuring Halle Berry. As a non-comics fan, I would assume based on this and the Eartha Kitt thing that Catwoman is in fact Black. But isn't this the sort of thing that changes Depending on the Writer (and thus isn't consistent enough for violations to be Common Knowledge)?

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#6732: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:44:33 PM

Parental Abandonment can apply to someone at any age, right?

Or does it have to occur before adulthood?

'Cause I have an example where they're said to have "they decided to suddenly and mysteriously disappear from your life", or went "missing".

But I'm not sure at the age where that occurred.


I suppose it's trying to use Parental Abandonment even if it isn't the typical example of such?

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#6733: Nov 9th 2018 at 4:45:30 PM

Quotes.Jerk With A Heart Of Jerk has a Real Life section despite being No Real Life Examples, Please! I'm gonna delete those referring to RL individuals unless anyone objects.

Quotes.Jerk With A Heart Of Gold has no real life, so I see no justification for keeping.

dsneybuf (Not-So-Newbie)
#6734: Nov 10th 2018 at 10:38:58 AM

On YMMV.Mamma Mia Here We Go Again, would the Surprisingly Improved Sequel entry still look valid if it turned out the RT score only rose because of critics who hated Mamma Mia! so much, they didn't bother reviewing Here We Go Again?

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#6735: Nov 10th 2018 at 10:53:01 AM

[up] That seems impossible to verify, to me. It just sounds like someone fishing for a reason that a series they don't like is getting good reviews.

isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#6736: Nov 10th 2018 at 8:50:34 PM

Is this Advice Backfire?

In Leverage the Big Bad of season 4 has killed Nate's father. When Nate has the man at his mercy, the villain pleads, noting Nate didn't kill the man responsible for denying medical care to his son and who died as a result. Nate pauses and notes his son would never forgive him for becoming a murderer; his father, a career criminal, on the other hand would buy him an ice cream.

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#6737: Nov 11th 2018 at 8:45:12 AM

From Ratchet & Clank (2002)

This is a lighthearted game overal and it has an explicict happy ending where the heroes successfullly defeat the villain and save everyone else. I don't think that this trope applies just because Ratchet is initially a jerk but - as the above entry acknowleges - he gets a Heel Realization.

dsneybuf (Not-So-Newbie)
#6738: Nov 11th 2018 at 9:42:44 AM

[up][up][up]I also often doubt RT's ability to distinguish faint praise from genuine love.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#6739: Nov 11th 2018 at 10:23:08 AM

Do these still count under Ambiguous Gender Identity?

  • Steven Universe:
    • The Gems all look and sound female, all refer to themselves with female pronouns (even the ones who have never visited Earth), and are treated as women. Word of God is that they don't actually consider themselves female but don't object to it either, and use "she/her" pronouns for convenience's sake. Furthermore, none have objected to wearing male clothing (when seven gems attended a wedding, only two wore dresses) and Amethyst has frequently turned into male forms.
    • Stevonnie is an androgynous fusion of a male and female character, is refer to as "they" (when most fusions are referred to with female pronouns), and shows little concern with gender norms without explicitly addressing them (in the comic, they wear a dress/suit combo to a dance). The staff have directly referred to Stevonnie as nonbinary.

Word of God seems to be their gender is nonbinary, so they ''do' have canon genders then. But (at least in the Crystal Gems case) it's not mentioned in-series.

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#6740: Nov 11th 2018 at 11:22:48 AM

[up][up] What does it matter? A positive review is a positive review.

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#6741: Nov 11th 2018 at 11:30:37 AM

[up][up]All Gems are identified as females and many do look female so there isnt any true confusion of transgender. Stevonnie is a fusion of a male and female and they have both traits. They are more of a case of Ambiguous Gender since its unknown if they are male or female. I believe they are a hermaphrodite.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#6742: Nov 11th 2018 at 1:26:18 PM

@Silverblade2: Cut it.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 11th 2018 at 1:26:38 AM

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#6743: Nov 11th 2018 at 2:26:35 PM

In YMMV.MY Little Pony Equestria Girls Legend Of Everfree:

  • Values Dissonance: While certain cultures wouldn't mind the romance between Human Twilight and Timber Spruce, it's safe to say that American viewers aren't as lax about a teenager and an authority figure coupling, even though the attraction is mutual and they're close in age.

Would this still count when the product in produced in North American for North American viewers?

Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#6744: Nov 11th 2018 at 4:39:18 PM

[up]Does the show present it as "this romance is okay" or "this romance is not okay"?

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#6746: Nov 11th 2018 at 4:49:02 PM

[up]Then as the values the show is going against are the ones from its own creator culture, I say cut.

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
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#6747: Nov 11th 2018 at 7:41:37 PM

>I believe they are a hermaphrodite.

That's... definitely not correct.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#6748: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:26:01 AM

[up] Yeah, Stevonnie is pretty consistently stated to be non-binary by the creators, which means there's no ambiguity.

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#6749: Nov 12th 2018 at 10:48:11 AM

Found this on Voldemort Origins Of The Heir:

  • Irony: Despite the movie's title and numerous promotions stating that the film would focus on Voldemort and his transition from Tom Riddle into Voldemort, the majority of the film does not feature Voldemort himself, but rather centers around Grisha McLaggen and her flashbacks.

As written, this sounds more like Never Trust a Title or Secondary Character Title.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#6750: Nov 12th 2018 at 11:35:44 AM

[up] Yes, Irony should be in-universe. Move it to one of those.

Trivia.Pokemon Detective Pikachu

Pikachu releases May 10th, 2019, Sonic November 2019. If they aren't in theaters at the same time, can they be called Dueling? How close together do they have to release to count? Months? Same year?


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