Is this an example?

Not an example, so I cut it from the page.

That's exactly my problem with it. I don't recall anyone saying anything like that about this game.

The original version of the entry mentioned that it could be hard to care about the story because Lara Croft herself does some unethical things in the game, bordering on becoming a Villain Protagonist... except anyone that's played the game can tell you that's an absurd exaggeration, and nothing like that actually happens in the game, which is why I deleted it in the first place.

I'm leaning towards just cutting the entire thing again and maybe replacing it with this:

• Angst Aversion: The overall dark and foreboding atmosphere of this game, combined with the Trauma Conga Line that Lara endures, can turn away players that are accustomed to the previous games, which generally were lightweight, action-adventure stories.

Also, is this the place to discuss spoilers, or is there a different thread for that?

Edited by Primis on Jul 20th 2018 at 11:19:34 AM

You want Violations of the spoiler policy.

This is on the characters page for Voltron: Legendary Defender:

• Happily Married: It isn't clear whether or not she actually married Keith's father, but the spirit of the trope is still there since she fell in love with him and they had a child together.

In spirit, like I said...here... Or somewhere, is bullshit to shoe in tropes where they dont belong.

Checking before I add these:

For The Handmaid's Tale:

• Soft Reboot: Season 2 continues from the original source material, but adds new characters, and undergoes a Time Skip, but doesn't deny the events of the original or take them in Broad Strokes. In essence, it's a quasi-Continuity Reboot maintaining the existing actors.

For Police Camera Action:

• Soft Reboot: From 1997 onwards, the series changed slightly, adding European, U.S. and Canadian police footage alongside British police footage, instead of the footage solely confined to Lower Deck Episodes about Europe, the U.S. and Canada.

If I'm right, a Soft Reboot is a Continuity Reboot that retains existing actors/sets, but may be an Alternate Timeline, Retcon or Retool?

I don't want to get the wrong trope inserted on the page!

The first one doesn't sound like a reboot at all. It just sounds like a continuation with a Time Skip.

The second sounds more like a Retool.

Can I add these back to Speculative Biology? They were deleted without reason by an apparent vandal, and I see no reason they aren't examples.

• The Pokémon franchise occasionally dabbles in this, what with the way some Poke Dex entries detail the creatures' biology. The Alola games specifically go into detail on the hunting habits of Pokémon. However, they're just as likely to go for Rule of Cool, and most of the "science" they contain is pure nonsense.
• Scanning enemies and other alien lifeforms in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes gives biological and behavioral details on them.

Speculative Biology seems like it's the biology equivalent to Alternate History, but those examples have to do with made-up biology about fictional organisms, which seems more like Fantastic Science.

Edited by naturalironist on Jul 21st 2018 at 4:05:09 AM

I would say catching frogs is about equivalent. What's caught depends more on what's available than any specific meaning to the specific species.

x7 So, are we in agreement that a couple must be literally married to be Happily Married? I ask because there was disagreement in another thread and the page doesn't really clarify.

Also noticed this on Get Out:

• What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?:
  • Considering it's a horror movie about a black man in white suburbia and came out at a time when racial tensions were at new highs, this response was inevitable. However, once the film came out, reviewers were surprised by the fact it targeted the Condescending Compassion and Positive Discrimination kind of racism associated with liberalism in addition to the more obvious xenophobia associated with the right.
  • An alternate scene featuring Rod's arrival at the Armitage estate has him tell Chris that he is sure Rose voted for Trump during the 2016 presidential election.

Unless I'm wrong, this trope is about fans reading in political messages that aren't there, not works that have blatant political themes.

Edited by TheMountainKing on Jul 21st 2018 at 6:19:53 AM

Are the following examples from Mega Man: Fully Charged being used correctly?:

• Audience-Alienating Premise: The High School AU premise is not something longtime Mega Man fans have been accepting of. It's not helped by the fact the premise resembles the Dreamwave comics, itself a controversial entry in the franchise. The addition of certain characters like Suna Light, Mega-Mini and Sgt. Night and the apparent exclusion of main characters like Roll and Dr. Wily only further turned off fans.
• Narm: The trailer's line "You're wrong, Sgt. Night! Humans and robots should be together all the time!" is hard take seriously given how stilted it is.
• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Let's be brief and say everything changed from the source material to the cartoon isn't something fans wanted.

My opinion

Audience-Alienating Premise is perhaps preemptive since the show hasn't aired yet. I don't have problem with the Narm one. They Changed It, Now It Sucks! is a Zero Context Example

I found the following in Trivia.Slow Start:

• Cowboy BeBop at His Computer: Website Anime Feminist published a disparaging review of the anime that basically accused it of being for pedophiles. In addition to the general condescending implication women can't like moe, it makes the baffling remark "everything [feels] plasticky and unreal, as if no one on the team has ever actually spoken with a teenage girl (a fact for which we should probably be grateful)." Both the original manga author and the anime screenwriter are women, something which is easily verified by spending two minutes on Google. You would think a site dedicated to championing women in the arts would do basic research on whether it was made by women, and yet....

Sounds like complaining, but it's not the main problem here. The main problem is whether that trope can extend to a blog as in this case?

An article is an article, whether it be on a blog or in a newspaper. I don't see a distinction there.

The following example in Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS Ep 60 Brave Max The Loser:

• Easily Forgiven: Kusanagi cares more about the fact that Yusaku and Takeru both returned safely (after Bohman's second defeat) than Yusaku's failure to obtain a lead on Jin's memories.

Is this an actual example?

Horrible.Music Soundtracks lists Juri's theme from Street Fighter V. Is it really bad enough to qualify as So Bad, It's Horrible? Sure, it's pretty bland and boring, and Street Fighter fans might have been disappointed to hear this version compared to the previous game's, but it's not aggressively bad to the point where I'd rather have the TV on mute, which is what I thought SBIH was about.

You cannot remove a YMMV example on the grounds that you disagree with the opinion. Only if it is factually incorrect.

But that doesnt belong there. Its objective that it isnt So Bad Its Horrible.

I'm not sure that's policy - but in this case, the example is nothing but a link and an accusation of being "really boring." That doesn't seem like either SBIH or an adequate writeup of any sort.

Even though Audience Reactions are subjective, you can't just put anything under them, they still have a definition and standards that need to be met. Here is how the track is described on the page:

• Juri's theme in Street Fighter IV sounds quite masterful and fitting for the character's nature... But for some reason, when the theme returned in V, it suddenly turned into this really lazy techno piece.

The only negative descriptors here are "lazy" and a comparison to a better version (which admittedly does make it qualify for They Changed It, Now It Sucks!). If a track being lazily-written was enough to make it qualify as SBIH, then I could come up with dozens of new entries that use a similar description.

Sure, the track is bad, but it's not, as the page description for Horrible.Music says, "an insult to the very concept of sound itself."

Edited by Zuxtron on Jul 22nd 2018 at 10:49:46 AM

Is Fascinating Eyebrow applicable to expressing any emotion through the action, or just superiority?

'Cause I've found a character that uses it to express suspicion, or disbelief.

Edited by Malady on Jul 23rd 2018 at 5:23:45 AM

I wanted to run this example of Cool People Rebel Against Authority by everyone because I'm not sure I understand the trope well enough to have it right:

• Heartful Punch of Sleepless Domain is well liked and admired by both her peers and the populace at large thanks to being a strong magical girl who regularly supports others where she can despite preferring to fight alone, however she regularly shows a casual disdain for authority. She brushes off her dormitory's RA's concerns about her constantly coming home late, declares she's her manager's boss and not the other way around, draws a rude picture of a nurse who forces her home rather than let her stay with a recuperating Undine, and, when showing Undine the school rooftop she likes to go to, notes the roof is off-limits "but, y'know, whatever." On two of these occasions the Alt Text uses You're Not My Father as a gag.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:59:30 AM

Been asking a certain matter over at Ask The Tropers for some time and eventually got sent here. I guess I should've started here but I wasn't sure if this matter was the appropriate place.

In any case, I've been having some PM discussions with Troper heartshiningg over a recent edit of theirs in the Demon Clan page of the The Seven Deadly Sins rather than start an edit war. I still feel though that some others' opinions might help things out.

Their original edit was this:

• Who Wants to Live Forever?: Downplayed. Vampires are not immortal however they do have a long life-span. That said, with Zeldris no longer being around, Gelda finds no purpose in her vampire life and has grown weary which leads her to ask Meliodas to put her out of her misery.

Amongst other edits, I changed the original line to this:

• Who Wants to Live Forever?: Gelda became weary of being an immortal undead vampire with no aim or goal but to just keep drinking blood and living on. She thus asked Meliodas to put her out of her misery.

And I gave this reason:

They reedited the line to make it somewhat similar to their original one:

• Who Wants to Live Forever?: Downplayed. Gelda became weary of being a vampire with no aim or goal - just keep drinking blood and living her long lifespan as a vampire. She thus asked Meliodas to put her out of her misery.

And gave this reason:

Is this really an example of Who Wants to Live Forever? being downplayed?

• Who Wants to Live Forever?: Downplayed. Gelda became weary of being a vampire with no aim or goal - just keep drinking blood and living her long lifespan as a vampire. She thus asked Meliodas to put her out of her misery.

The main argument they've been giving for their edit is this Q&A which they originally misquoted from chapter 132.

While I have brought their misquote to their attention via PM, they are still citing Fairy King lifespan Q&A as their argument.

The argument they are asserting is because "the Fairy King has the longest lifespan, the other clans except humans must therefore simply have regeneration/longevity. Thus the vampires of this series are not immortal."

I have gone back through parts 1, 2, and 3 of the Vampire sidestory as well as other parts of the manga and there are really some things that go against their conclusion.

• The vampires of this series are stated of to be undead. To defeat them, you either have to destroy their head or completely dismember their body.
• With the exception of some unique individual abilities, they appear to be very much the stereotypical immortal undead vampires that are common in other works based on what's been presented.

While I have pointed these things out about the vampires, they have replied back saying that the vampires of this series are not immortal because they don't have Complete Immortality like a certain other character has.

Incidentally, Ban the character with Complete Immortality has Undead Ban as one of his monikers.

So again is this correct

• Who Wants to Live Forever?: Downplayed. Gelda became weary of being a vampire with no aim or goal - just keep drinking blood and living her long lifespan as a vampire. She thus asked Meliodas to put her out of her misery.

Or should I revert back?

Edited by Elfkaiser on Jul 24th 2018 at 5:36:38 AM

Are the following examples being used correctly?:

From Digimon: The Movie:

• Anticlimax: As noted by the Nostalgia Critic, the last third of the movie comes across as extremely anticlimactic. The segment that adapts Our War Game culminates in a full-scale battle against an army of Diablomon, with the protagonists desperately trying to prevent a nuclear missile from exploding. It is then followed by the adaptation of Hurricane Touchdown, which mostly revolves around the 02 children traveling across America, cracking several jokes and attempting to save a single Digimon.

From Mega Man: Fully Charged:

• Uncanny Valley: The art style, particularly with Mega Man's face, is a mix of cartoony and too-realistic and the end result looks off.

Also when troping adaptations of a work, Media Adaptation Tropes should be written so that a work is being compared to its source material, correct? So would these examples from Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles count as misuse as they’re comparing the work to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012) which is a different adaptation of the same source material:

• Denser and Wackier: The mutants in this series are much less visceral than the 2012 incarnations, being more humanoid and with even more supervillain-esque gimmicks.
• Lighter and Softer: Compared to the 2012 series, this show will focus less on narrative and be more humor-oriented.